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Donald Trump has been elected the 47th president of the United States, an extraordinary comeback for a former president who refused to accept defeat four years ago, sparked a violent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, was convicted of felony charges and survived two assassination attempts.
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Democrats will learn nothing from this.
Id go so far as to say they’re paid good money to explicitly not learn from this.
Democrats are learning in real time what the real function of a controlled opposition party is in a capitalist dictatorship.
As if that wasn’t already known.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked
“We didn’t go far enough right to win over MAGAs hearts and minds.”
Well I guess the good news is that it no longer matters if they learn anything? These election results make it clear that going forward they’ll have about as much effect on lawmaking as a dead hamster. It’s even possible that, except for serving as a convenient cardboard bogeyman, they’ll otherwise cease to exist at all.
“Are we out of touch? No, it’s the voters who are wrong.”
You can blame Democrats all you want. This is a cause of Americans being idiots and bigots.
I don’t wanna hear another damn word about Palestine from young leftists, after they stayed home. You all need to shut the fuck up with your moralizing and bitching, when you won’t even vote. Enjoy Trump, morons.
The Biden regime did this, no one else.
You ain’t seen nothing yet. Trump’s most loyal base is Evangelical Christians, and they widely believe in Greater Israel. They also tend to dislike nonwhites. He may not give a rats ass about Israel, but his advisors do, and he personally likes Netanyahu.
All but 1 democrat gave Netanyahu a standing ovation for carrying out this genocide less than 2 months ago. How do you explain your party’s staunch near-unanimous support for genocide?
Actually, 90 dems boycotted that speech. This also deflects from my argument that the situation in Gaza is going to become far more dire in a few months.
To answer your question, though: You know how there’s around 2 million Gazans still alive? Starving and desperate, but still alive. It’s not just us, but the whole international community that is responsible for that, otherwise Netanyahu could’ve implemented his “General’s Plan” six months ago. Nothing except international leverage can maintain those lives. Leverage is not free, though, it must be purchased somehow. People do not just listen to you otherwise, unless they get something from it. While it would be theoretically possible to attempt sanctions, doing this to an ally during war would be political suicide domestically, resulting in a different administration and reversal of the policy. This would result in their eventual deaths anyway, simply after a delay.
Not that our current timeline is looking any differently, admittedly. But actually saving them is not nearly as simple as everyone seems to think, as if some total boycott of arms to Israel would somehow quickly lead to an Israeli military defeat. Advanced munitions are not necessary for a genocide, it can be done with napalm and the withholding of food. This would not be expensive. Nor are advanced munitions necessary for the continued survival of the IDF, which numbered around 400k strong in the initial stages of the war.
Defeating this genocide is unfortunately far, far harder than people make it out to be, due to a powerful faction of domestic support among American citizens and AIPAC lobbyists.
It’s not just us, but the whole international community that is responsible for that
No. There is one country giving 17 Billion dollars in weaponry and aid to Israel. Don’t blame the “international community” for the genocide being funded and armed by your party. Your own party is opposing the current resolutions in the UN to denounce this genocide.
Israel would quickly go the way of south africa without US support. Will anything make US democrats stop pointing fingers at other people, and start accepting blame for their own actions?
If you reread what I wrote, you’ll see that I was not saying the international community was responsible for the genocide.
Israel would quickly go the way of south africa without US support.
This is nothing more than faith. Israel trades with many countries, including India, where anti-Muslim sentiment is very strong among the ruling Hindu nationalists. US contributions are only a small fraction of their total annual budget. All they would really lose irreplaceably is advanced weaponry.
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If a blowout this big occurred just because young leftists protested the genocide, it stands to reason that the democratic party made in error in judgement when they supplied more bombs to the genocide and scolded young leftists. They campaigned with Liz fucking Cheney and had Bill Clinton tell muslims in Michigan they deserve it. If you see this as anything other than a complete failure in leadership, you’re delusional.
“Shut up about the genocide. It’s bad for our polling numbers.” That take is batshit insane. If you support a genocide and then can’t figure out why you lost an election, you’re hopeless.
Oh leftists voted, just not for anyone engaging in genocide.
Cry about it.
With “allies” like these, who needs the republicans?
You became a nazi to win and you lost. Now you’re a loser and you’re a nazi.
I think you need to removed yourself from the conversation.
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Less racist and colonial than your nazi ass considering you wanted me to support a settler colonial genocide and I wouldn’t.
And fuck off. You’re as American as your 90’s US TV show reference. Don’t wear burgerface and then try to distance yourself.
Do you really think Trump is not going to back Netenyahu and let him do exactly as he pleases?
Now that there’s no utility in it, can you please stop fucking lying about your side being better than it is?
For a while you were perfectly comfortable using banger lines like “genocide isn’t on the ballot” so what the fuck do you think my response would be?
I have been consistent this entire time telling you what your side was doing wrong and what the consequences would be. And the entire time you’ve been condescending to me like it was me who was the child who needed to humble myself into the role of the student.
Few things :
That’s a daring non-answer. I’m genuinely curious to know what stance you think Trump will take against Netenyahu’s continued genocide.
Also, about what “my” side has done and what lines “I were perfectly comfortable using”, or how I’ve been “condescending”, we’re strangers on the internet and that previous comment was my first one made to you. You don’t have enough information about my point of view to assume as much as you did. Or maybe you simply mistaken me for another commenter.
Either way no need to engage in profanity, it gives your whole vibe an unnecessary violent undertone. I’m sincerely just curious to know more about where you come from ideologically and I think it can be done respectfully and with civility.
It’s funny your white ass calling a native person a Nazi colonizer because I said Harris is better than Trump. I guess that means you think Trump is better, so enjoy it. Clearly you’re his base racist and offensive and hateful to us brown folk
You wanted me to support a settler colonial genocide because your first hand experience is that it rules and should be exported?
They shouldn’t have stayed home. They should’ve voted for Jill Stein.
Better yet Claudia De La Crúz, if she is on your state’s ballot.
Every time i think the US can’t get any more ridiculously observationally challenged, I’m taught otherwise…
A billionaire, convicted felon, moron and over all most likely a damn pedo gets elected to be the top-clown of the clown-college.
I’m sorry for every sane murican who has to endure that. And especially for everyone that is not “normal”…
Oh he’s definitely a pedo. Creeping on his own daughter. Peeping on young girls in changing rooms. Epstein’s best friend.
I agree with your message, but please try to avoid the r-slur. Its an ableist slur and quite triggering for many people, even if you mean it innocently.
You’re totally right, sorry. And of course it wasn’t meant in that way.
Appreciate you taking the feedback on board and making a change, thank you
Thanks, but I’m sorry to have had that oversight in the spur of the moment. I used that word for 40 years without much of a thought, it just stuck.
I get it - I’ll take a person who uses it by mistake over someone who uses it on purpose despite knowing
Agreed ☺️
taught*
Damn it, i knew there was something smelly there. Thanks.
At least I can be super smug to everyone as the country burns around me…
Enjoy paying 200% more for everything.
Enjoy a national abortion ban.
Enjoy having a president Vance in 6 months when Trump threatens the wrong Oligarch
Enjoy having to grease a million hands to get the same government contracts you won on your own merits last year
I could probably keep typing this list for the next 4 years and not run out.
If i would have to live there (and i wouldn’t even wanna go on vacay there) I’d probably be equally cynical and bitter. Not much else left to do, other than seeing the comedy in the tragedy.
Kamala must be so stoked to see so many republicans in the cabinet.
I feel like people are just rolling over and taking it? He shouldn’t even be eligible because of the 14th Amendment “no insurrection” thing.
Democrats vocally came out against getting him off the ballot for his crimes alleging ‘you can only beat him at the ballot box’, but it turns out they can’t.
Wait, what? I can’t say I’m surprised, but I never heard about this.
The SCOTUS struck down states removing him from the ballot box.
Got a source on that? I gotta read more news it seems.
Well, crap.
On the plus side maybe we will start hearing about the horrors at the US Border that magically stopped in november 2020.
Would you look at that? The immigrant caravan just vanished, as if by magic!
Fuck
Isn’t USA culture very big about “never give up”?
Eh, at this point a majority of the voting block voted for fascism. I’m about ready to just call it, go home and not participate anymore.
I understand your feelings but would urge you tor reconsider. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
Only if you’re white. If not, do as your told or you may be assaulted, imprisoned, or shot dead. Sometimes you’ll do what your told and those things will still happen.
And if you do make it, like the people of Tulsa did, then the racists will bomb your city.
No. Fuck no. Absolutely not.
The leopard ate my face are going to hit so hard all those non white and rich trump fan in the next years
Ew, gross.
Despair is typical of those who do not understand the causes of evil, see no way out, and are incapable of struggle.
-Vladimir Lenin
There is hope! It isn’t easy, it isn’t fun, but if we can know our circumstances, we can know our way out of them, and if we know our way out, we can get out.
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Get organized. Join a Leftist org, find solidarity with fellow comrades, and protect each other. The Dems will not save you, it is up to the Workers to protect themselves. The Party for Socialism and Liberation and Freedom Road Socialist Organization both organize year round, every year, because the battle for progress is a constant struggle, not a single election. See if there is a chapter near you, or start one! Or, see if there’s an org you like more near you and join it, the point is that organizing is the best thing any leftist can do.
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Read theory. A good primer is Blackshirts and Reds. It will help contextualize what fascism is, what causes it, and how to stop it. I can offer a good introductory reading list regarding Marxism if you’d like, but this is a good starting point.
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Aggressively combat white supremacy, misogyny, queerphobia, and other attacks on marginalized communities. Cede no ground.
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Be more industrious, and self-sufficient. Take up gardening, home repair, tinkering. It is through practice that you elevate your problem-solving capabilities. Not only will you improve your skill at one subject, but your general problem-solving muscles get strengthened as well. Theory guides practice, which sharpens theory to be reapplied to better practice.
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Learn self-defense. Get armed, if practical. Be ready to protect yourself and others. The Democrats will not save us, we must save each other.
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Be persistent. If you feel like a single water driplet against a mountain, think of the Grand Canyon. Oh, how our efforts pile up! With consistency, every rock, boulder, even mountain, can be drilled through with nothing but steady and persistent water droplets.
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Tyranny by majority…
Ah, well! Nevertheless,
The best news in the last three years! :)
I just hope that he will follow through with quickly finishing the war in Ukraine.
I just hope that he will follow through with quickly finishing the war in Ukraine.
Yeah, that’s a monkey paw wish. His “ending the war in Ukraine” almost certainly means giving Putin whatever he wants.
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Yeah, that’s a monkey paw wish. His “ending the war in Ukraine” almost certainly means giving Putin whatever he wants.
Even if you are right (I don’t think so), so what?
How is this worse then what is hapenning now (to Ukrainians)?
Inb4 probably some delusiomal fantasies about how Putin is gonna invade the whole world, etc. :/
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Ah yes, the usual undefeatable argument of libs/dems/whatever - if you don’t like us slaughtering people you know, then you are fascist, dumb and most importantly a Russian bot and fuck you. 🙃
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I recall they said the same about Hilter. It was called appeasement. Don’t accept bullies demands. Period.
I recall they said the same about Hilter. It was called appeasement. Don’t accept bullies demands. Period.
Then go sign up for foreign legion and go make sure Putin loses. Don’t make Ukrainians die instead of you for your wild fantasies.
Make them die? They can surrender themselves right? As long as they want to fight I see no reason not to supply them with the means to usurp the oppressers.
Make them die?
Yes, exactly.
They can surrender themselves right?
How? Surrendering in modern warfare is super hard, you will either be droned by enemy because they mistake your surrendering for attacking, or by your side for surrendering.
As long as they want to fight I see no reason not to supply them with the means to usurp the oppressers.
Sure, supply those who want to fight. You do know though, that people in Ukraine are given no choice? Zelensky forbade people to leave the country (and he is way more successful at keeping the western border safe than eastern one (that is, from people wanting to escape this hell) - weak against strong ones, and strong against weak ones). Zelensky’s regime kidnaps people from the streets and sends them to the meatgrinder. If you care about “helping people fight against oppressive regimes” you should support those people, not the ones terrorizing them.
No, I meant Ukraine as a country could surrender.
I believe kidnapping citizens to fight is basically an express draft. Countries do it In times of war.
Not that this conversation matters. Neither of our opinions matter. Trump will stop support and they will becomes west Russia and I’m sure they will be kidnapped off the streets and drafted to go fight another war somewhere but this time not for thier country. USSR was soo nice before. I’m sure they didn’t treat Ukranians poorly before and certainly will not now that they put up a fight for years embarrassing russia.
I’m sure he will, by giving Ukraine to Russia and letting them murder Zelensky.
I’m sure he will, by giving Ukraine to Russia
Wouldn’t happen, but even this is way better than giving it to Zelensky.
and letting them murder Zelensky.
No way. I mean that would be awesome of course, bringing justice to that murderer who killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, terrorizing the rest for three years and not letting people escape. But that would never happen, USA almost certainly gave Zelensky some guarantees that he will be able to escape to USA after this war ends.
So Putin is better for Ukraine?
So Putin is better for Ukraine?
For Ukraine - I don’t know what “Putin for Ukraine” means… If Ukraine would be Putin’s then it probably wouldn’t be Ukraine but Russia (unless Putin would be a president of both countries or something…)? I don’t think it would be good or bad, Ukraine existing or not doesn’t change much IMHO, but I’m open to hearing your arguments here.
For Ukrainians - of course! The shit that Zelensky does to Ukrainians is exactly (and even worse than) what the west scares public Putin would do. Ukrainians on liberated territories(controlled by Putin) have way more freedoms than those on territories controlled by Zelensky’s regime, including one of the most basic freedoms - freedom of movement and not being kidnapped on a street and be sent to die…
Perhaps if you’re some combination of white, or straight, or cisgender, or neurotypical, or rich, then this is good news. For anyone else its dire.
Perhaps if you’re some combination of white, or straight, or cisgender, or neurotypical, or rich, then this is good news. For anyone else its dire.
I am Ukrainian. I have no idea whether Slavic people are considered white or not, but I am quite sure I’d benefit from a literal war in my country ending.
I’m certain you would! What makes you think that ending Russia’s horrifying invasion is more likely under a trump-ruled USA?
What makes you think that ending Russia’s horrifying invasion is more likely under a trump-ruled USA?
Because dems have been funding this war since the beginning, and would certainly continue to do so? I think Harris explicitly said that she will continue the war (or something along those lines).
Trump said that he is going to finish it by forcing both sides to negotiate. (Yes yes I know, every politician’s main job is lying. But when one person says that they will definitely kill everybody I know continuing the job of their predecessor, and the second one at least promises that they will not, whatever credibility that promise has in your opinion - I’m choosing the second one)
You mean funding the arms that Ukraine is using to defend itself? Or did I miss something and america is sending aid to Russia?
You mean funding the arms that Ukraine is using to defend itself?
Yes, sending weapons and money to Zelensky’s regime, which lets him to continue staying in power and terorrize Ukrainians by forbidding people to leave the country and kidnapping them from the streets to send them to the meatgrinder.
Right, I see.
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He will. By fucking capitulating completely, and letting Putler walk all over Europe.
