You phone shouldn’t make any sound whatsoever when you’re in public period.
It can ring and give notifications, as long as they aren’t set to something obnoxious.
It becomes obnoxious no matter what it is when they’re having a text conversation with someone and it’s going off constantly
I’m pretty old but do you know the Woody Woodpecker laugh? I used to work with a girl back before smartphones that had that as her text notification. It was the whole thing which takes like five seconds so sometimes it was just that fucking sound almost non-stop. Here it is, cursed fucking creation.
That sounds like something they would do to prisoners in Guantanamo.
I can’t imagine the ptsd you have
It’s kind of amazing that I haven’t really thought about Woody Woodpecker since watching the cartoons as a kid and the animation doesn’t look familiar at all other than yeah that’s the right colors, but I could hear the laugh in my head immediately on seeing the name, without having to play the audio.
i couldn’t even make it through the 8 second video. i cant begin to imagine what you must have gone through. my heart goes out to you
For me, if I’m actually having a conversation in public, I’ll silence my phone.
Right, but they were suggesting it should be silenced at all times, by default, even for the very first notification.
Put your phone on vibrate, you’ll survive.
That’s what my phone is set at 24/7, the only time it makes a noise from the speakers is when the alarm goes off in the morning.
I have my phone set so it sets itself to vibrate when it disconnects from my home WiFi. It turns the notification sounds back up when it reconnects. I’ve never had to worry about it again.
That’s the way
No, I don’t think I will.
In the before time, the long long ago, people didn’t have a portable social media machine
Well they should silence it at that point because obviously they’re paying enough attention to it and expecting responses, so they should be waiting for the vibrate if not looking at it directly.
But people don’t need to have their phone silenced at all times while in public, they just need to be attentive enough to answer and silence it. I frequently don’t even feel the vibration.
Unprompted, I will tell you the most obnoxious ring tone I have ever heard. It was on the subway and a voice was suddenly loudly proclaiming: “Warning! Warning! The owner of this phone is a self-confessed binge drinker” until some douchebag picked up the call.
That is daft, but it does tickle me when someone’s ringtone is set to that “warning! It’s the wife!” one.
It’s probably obnoxious in real life but I really wanna do the ZZ Top ringtone from Bad Monkey
The worst part is that it’s just normalized enough that you can’t really call it out.
that has not stopped me from calling it out. in my experience, most people seem to be unaware that it bothers other people (or at least they claim to be unaware).
that said, a decent number of them are unwilling to change their behavior after being told that it does bother people.
It’s normalized because it’s not a serious problem, it’s a minor, and extremely temporary annoyance the vast majority of the time.
It’s incredibly obnoxious and there’s never a good reason for it.
Headphones are dirt cheap. Use them in public. No one has ever wanted to hear your bullshit.
Clearly you’ve never spent an hour+ on a bus with someone watching TikTok on a fucking Bluetooth speaker.
100%. Public areas need enough clear airspace for emergency announcements as it puts everyone in danger.
Nobody should even speak in public! Or breathe my air!
A narcissistic sociopath is someone who exhibits traits of both narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) and antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). They may have an exaggerated sense of self-importance, a lack of regard for others, and a tendency to manipulate others to get what they want
They might be a literal child, as implied by their name.
I was making fun of this entire concept. If talking in public is allowed, it implies that everyone is comfortable with a person emitting a certain amount of noise. What form that noise takes is idiotic to divvy up and bitch about.
Explain to me how if you’re annoyed by music playing, why is that any more valid than someone else being mad at talking? Or someone else for whistling? Singing? Phone ringing? Vibrating? Where are your arbitrary lines?
You can’t be serious. Or you don’t spend a lot of time in public.
Most people’s conversations in public are fairly quiet. People often do get annoyed of people are having a screaming or otherwise disruptive conversation on the subway. Most humans don’t find a quiet conversation that distracting though. Hearing half a conversation annoys most people- I think it’s because the brain keeps trying to figure out what’s happening.
It’s not really “”“arbitrary lines”“”. The shared theme is “don’t distract other people in public”. Whistling fails this check. So does singing. As does a phone alarm going off. But also like most things that annoy or tolerate are arbitrary.
This is especially true if you need to hear announcements like what stop this is or that this train is going express.
Anyway, my current thinking is you’re doing some sort of “bit” as a selfish child, or you just don’t spend a lot of time in public.
So you would like legislation passed to outlaw street performers? If I’m a child for asking these questions, what does that make you, an angry old man yelling at kids? Maybe I’m just not as bothered by people living there lives as you are. I expect noise in public.
Street performers aren’t the same as people watching videos on their phone.
If someone told me to silence my phone in public they would get laughed at. And if you persist I’ll tell you to call the cops, who will then proceed to laugh at you.
Theatres, yeah, they shouldn’t even vibrate.
Edit: you’re prefences are noted and ignored. People have been loud in public since there has been public. Get over yourselves.
Presumably, for such a complaint, the cops wouldn’t even bother to come to laugh at you unless they were very very bored. This is probably true in both circumstances you described. Also, I can’t speak for others, but unless detained I wouldn’t stick around most public locations long enough for someone to complain about a notification from my phone. Even if a call is received and must be answered, it seems appropriate to accept the call and leave the immediate shared area if possible. Obviously, in such circumstances as a moving bus, quickly leaving isn’t really feasible.
However, I partially agree with the person to whom you responded. Your phone shouldn’t make any media based sound (videos, music) in public. I also mostly agree with what I think you’re saying: in most circumstances, notification sounds are inoffensive. Movies are not the only exception to this but definitely are one. Laughing in the face of someone who requests quiet in a public shared area seems rude, though, and might escalate the situation.
To elaborate, recently I went to see a dental surgeon. As I approached the waiting area, my immediate thought was to set my phone to vibrate. Once I entered, however, I realized that not only was there a TV in the space; also there was an elderly couple watching TV on their phones. Not only were they doing so, not only were they watching something different from what was on the TV, not only were they watching their media at BLARING volume, but they were also watching vastly different content. In this circumstance, notifications could be - reluctantly - forgiven, but their blasting and conflicting media made it very difficult to concentrate on filling out my paperwork.
I’m too much of a wimp to have approached them, but in that circumstance I think it would have been appropriate to ask them to silence their media and would have only required a vague awareness of the existence of others for them to have done so without prompting.
Though the cops, if they came, would likely still have just laughed.
An aside: as soon as the presumed wife left the waiting area, the likely husband shut off his media. I don’t know what that means, but wanted to mention it.
Call the cops?
Yea you’re obviously a child. I mean literally based on that response.
How am I a child? Dude makes up a rule and I’m supposed to follow it? Really?
It’s not a law, and telling someone to call the cops os pointing out the absurdity of the demand.
Please laugh at me in public
Wilco, you won’t be the first, and you won’t be the last. Even of it’s some sort of kink.
Oh it isn’t a kink kiddo.
Oh, you think this is some sort of threat? Please threaten me…
I won’t partake in your hatred and selfishness.
You’re the one pushing it.
I wouldn’t call the cops. I’d just fling it into the ocean. Who would call the cops for you then? You can’t. You have no phone.
See? We all make decisions every second to be or not to be jerks. You’re not special.
Ah, so you’ll commit assault because my phone isn’t on silent. Buds you need a reality check.
You’re assaulting others airspace and committing harassment. that isn’t your right but then suddenly everything is a crime when someone else does something to you. Pick a conviction. Narcissism isn’t an excuse.
My phone making notification sounds isn’t assault, not even close. Taking my phone is theft.
Pick a lane.
You’re convincing no one that you’re that important enough to get a notification. Sad face.
You’re convincing yourself that you’re important enough to dictate others actions.
Pitiful.
No u.
It interferes with public emergency announcements so there should be some clear enough airspace for it.
What if, what if, what if. The world is noisy.
That’s just an excuse to be an asshole. Not to consider. This is how sociopaths reason.
Go up to everyone whose phone you hear and tell them to put it on silent.
Expecting people to be silent in public is asinine.
Expecting everyone to cowtowing to your wants only in a public space that’s for everyone is asinine and narcissistic
And expecting others to be quiet for you isn’t?
Done talking to you.
Oh my god this is so true
Makes me so irrationally angry especially when the person in question keeps cutting them off halfway through sentences
Ex used to do this all the time
I like harsh noise music if the volume is low enough. Not an insult, I genuinely like it, but it is quite loud.
Worst thing about someone watching a reel out loud is you hear the same 15 second sound bite 30 times while they’re reading the comments.
or 5-second disconnected bits while they scroll
That’s my wife, then after like 2 minutes she tells me to watch it.
I JUST HEARD IT 23 TIMES!
Oh no oh no oh nononono
I think one of the platforms used to pause at some point reading comments if you fullscreened them, then changed it so it would play unless manually paused first. YouTube Shorts?
Hearing the same 15 second soundbite 30 times… tremendous for engagement!
At work once, some guy was watching YouTube videos in the bathroom stalls with sound on. He was also laughing at the videos. What a fucking weirdo! What kind of animal does this?
If you are in public, like a bus, restaurant, store, public space, etc.
Your phone shouldnt make any fucking noise at all besides ringing and the text ping noise.
And if you’re gonna answer it, don’t put it on speakerphone, and respect teh fact that everyone within 300 feet of you doesnt want to be party to your fucking phonecall.
No ringing or text ping noise either. Use vibrate like a civilized human.
ringing is fine as long as you dont have an obnoxious 4 minute ring tone
I swear to god, please please please do not blast your fucking music, even if it is rad like ratm, on the walking trail. No one likes it and it makes you look like an asshole and I have to glare at you instead of giving you a friendly wave.
I see a few cyclists doing that these days on the bike trails. Some of these absurd $10K+ bicycles even have speakers built into them. I guess it’s slightly less obnoxious since a bicycle will pass a walker or runner very quickly, but it’s still dickhead behavior. Even worse than music, though, is people who blast fucking preachers.
Blasting preachers is a special sort of asshole behavior I never encountered or considered before. I bet they think they are saving souls.
The dude definitely had the smug look of the saved walking amongst the damned. I don’t think he cared about saving souls at all, just doing his version of virtue signalling.
I used to judge people for going about their daily lives with headphones on (like shopping) as being antisocial. In the last few years, I’ve come to realize they were just quicker to realize how annoying our society is and I’m increasingly likely to join them.
Recently I went to a mall and visited all the department stores. One of them had a guy playing a piano live and my first thought was “how quaint”. Then, as I sat and waited for my wife to try things on it struck me that I wasn’t hearing horrible music played over speakers - the piano was really nice. Why can’t places go back to playing relaxing music like that (even recorded)?
IMO, there’s two main factors at play. First, the speakers in most stores suck. They have to buy them at volume (quantity, not loudness), and install them everywhere. The primary reason they have them is for paging, so they can make announcements and request that people go places. Music just gives the speakers something to do while not doing announcements.
Due to the amount of speakers they buy, and their primary purpose being for announcements, they don’t exactly buy high quality speakers. If the store has existed for a long time (maybe 10+ years), then it’s likely they’re analog, so the quality is also affected by the amps they’re using, and the cables, etc.
As long as the system can still do paging/announcements without issue, the business really doesn’t have any reason to spend money on upgrading it.
For the most part, most companies have connected these to some kind of satellite radio or music streaming system (like Spotify, but more business centric). It’s just plugged into the ancient sound amps for the analog system, often by someone who isn’t an audio expert, so levels are often all over the place, sometimes to loud and blown out, other times too quiet and details in the music are too quiet to be heard.
As long as the speakers still perform the announcements/paging that the company requires, they don’t care if the music sounds bad.
There’s a lot more to say on it for contributing factors, but the main drivers for it are not to play music. With the shift to digital and everything needing to update their music providing device, coupled with untrained people doing the connections for the new music solution to an ancient speaker system, it’s unsurprising that it sounds like garbage.
Great points on the horrible quality of sound in these places. I was referring more to the selection of music, but playing it at low quality certainly makes it worse. My kids joke that the grocery store is where old pop songs go to die.
Well, if the comparison is between a live instrument and the terrible speakers in the building, unless that instrument is not tuned, damaged, or otherwise not working correctly, the instrument will sound significantly better than anything else you could possibly subject your ears to.
The music selection is largely corporate/business picking something that’s very safe to play, so it’s usually very boring music.
Theres a restaurant I go to which plays music that youd expect from a fallout game. The old folks like it cause nostalgia but a couple other folks on the younger end have said something along the lines of “I heard this in Fallout New Vegas” its great, also apparently Big Iron played once and a bunch of old bastards and younger guys sung along to it. I wish I was there for it.
Drag shops with phonics in. Drag has autism and doesn’t need to hear 50 people’s conversations and bad pop music just to have a migraine when drag gets home. Drag does not think the grocery store is a place for social interaction anyway.
I’m definitely in agreement now, it just took me a bit longer to get over the shift in social norms.
Mute with subtitles is fine
[Music] [Applause]This is the way.
Hiked up to a ridge today. Guy up there smoking and playing a radio. Ugh.
Then there is this guy that has his headphones so loud that I can hear what he listens to from 5 rows away
I was on an airplane one time when someone was doing that. The flight attendant heard it and said something like, “Oh no, that’s not okay,” then figured out who it was and had them turn it down. No one even asked - she just did it. Excellent.
Free trip to hearing damage town if they aren’t already
We as a society have given up on doing literally anything to shame or punish people who are rude selfish assholes. In fact a large contingent of society seems to celebrate selfishness now. Considering how your actions impact others is something I feel like capitalism has destroyed by showing the world that the only thing you should value is getting ahead by any means necessary, just pretend your actions have no consequences and sell your soul and you too can definitely
neverbe rich too. I truly believe seeing this play out in real life for our entire lives has just shown people considering other people is a recipe to be worse off than being selfish. Capitalism is a plague.Man, my brother is the worst for this. Has multiple pairs of headphones, usually at least one on his person, and STILL will blast his Instagram reel on speaker as if everyone around him wants to hear his doomscrolling and brainrot memes
I really wish people were more interested in open format ear buds and bone conductors. They are the perfect blend between personalized notifications, background music and being able to hear what’s going on around you as well as so much more comfortable than having your ear holes plugged up. I wear mine all day long sometimes and forget I’m even wearing them.
Got any links or recommendations?
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/best-open-ear-earbuds-headphones
Think new Sony links are coming out.
My favorite are bose open but the price point is inflated a bit.
€240 for the Bose ones isn’t too bad. I know they’re inflated a bit but the quality is definitely top end
Sony stuff tends to be good but lacks physical buttons, really fucking annoying for accidental button pushes
I have both current Linkbuds. I love the concept of the first one but they are uncomfortable for me no matter how I wear them (unless I damn near have them hanging out of my ear, but then they sound bad and fall out easily). The S model is one of my favorite earbuds I own. Super small and light with great sound and fantastic ANC and passthrough. Not quite the same as a truly open earbud though. I want to try the BOSE clip on one’s, but like you said they are pricy.
I know it’s subjective, and not denying your experience. But for other readers, the og Linkbuds are hands down the most comfortable headphones I have ever worn, without exception. I sometimes even forget I’m wearing them.
Obviously your mileage may vary, but if they sound like they might be your thing, it’s worth giving them a go, especially with the crazy low sales atm
I mean, the budget option there is still a lot of money, I can see why it’s still niche, also seems it would hurt if you use glasses?
Probably depends on which model and your glasses. Link buds not an issue at all. Bose open not an issue with glasses for majority at least
Any tws with transparency functionality
https://www.soundguys.com/best-transparency-mode-earbuds-109883/
These pale in comparison to open format imo
I have bone conducting headphones, they are very bad in high nose environments, transparency mode tws is better
Yes in high noise environments, like on airplane for example, open formats can be limited. Unfortunately I don’t think open formats can be your only headphone. That being said, for my day to day life at least they are my goto 95% of the time.
I live in the center of the city so in my case open format headphones is bad, however, i always use them at work when I’m in office and open format headphones are great at low noise environments, however, transparency tws is more versatile and can be your only headphones
City noise should be fine. Consider bose open for a much different experience than the bone conductors you mentioned. I use mine in the city too. It’s not the same as jet engines. Many of us can’t tolerate ear holes being blocked up by Earbuds for long periods of time. I find that really uncomfortable. Also transparency modes are active and will eat through battery and even the best never sound natural to me.
You don’t need to say Transparency mode is the best thing ever in ten comments.
Transparency mode is not nearly the same as open headphones. Its fine for a quick conversation but isn’t good at providing awareness of your surroundings. It has its place and is a great feature, but it’s not going to cut it for people looking for open headphones.
Can’t you wear ear protection and still hear bone conducted sound? Would that reduce the problem in high noise environments?
Yes, that is possible, however you won’t hear surroundings
Just like drug addicts, these people are addicted to dopamine and they will do anything to get it even if it makes everyone else uncomfortable
I think TikTok format video players are straight up drugs. It’s a real physical addiction which even has withdrawal symptoms
They are so appealing, I do avoid them but it’s just sad to watch everyone else become a victim of those
Physical addiction is a stretch
It doesn’t actually matter. A addiction will ruin lives if unchecked. No matter if physical or psychological. It’s all about definitions at that point too.
Where does physical end and where does psychological start.
It’s not a matter of one is worse than the other.
Why?
Is Tik Tok a physical substance entering your body? Just making sure we’re talking about the same thing.
I think they call that chemical addiction or physical dependence?
I think they call that physical dependence?
Explain the difference between “physical addiction” and “physical dependence”.
What does “physical” mean in regards to the former?
Are you like trying to be condescending lmfao
The terms “addiction” and “dependence” can seem similar, but they are different. Dependence occurs when the body physically relies on a drug. Addiction involves changes in behavior. A person with an addiction has difficulty not using substances or doing rewarding activities, even if it is harming them.
The difference between addiction and dependence can be difficult to understand. Some organizations have different definitions, use the words interchangeably or even abandon both terms altogether. (Substance use disorder, or SUD, is a preferred term in the scientific community.) Because of this lack of consistency, some ground rules can help differentiate between the two terms.
When people use the term “dependence,” they are usually referring to a physical dependence on a substance. Dependence is characterized by the symptoms of tolerance and withdrawal. While it is possible to have a physical dependence without being addicted, addiction is usually right around the corner.
https://www.addictioncenter.com/addiction/addiction-vs-dependence/
You’re the one being disingenuous. The issue here isn’t related to the word “addiction” vs. “dependence”.
This issue is the use of the word “physical”, which you seem to be deliberately avoiding offering any explanation for.
Tik Tok cannot be physically addictive, because “physical addiction” is exclusively related to physical substances, like alcohol, recreational drugs, and medications. You cannot physically consume Tik Tok and become chemically addicted to it.
One could become addicted to the stimulation of Tik Tok, or dependent on it emotionally, but they literally cannot become physically addicted to or dependent on it unless “Tik Tok” is actually a slang term for a drug or something…
Its not their fault. The phones took away their headphone jacks.
People weren’t great about wearing headphones in public either.
Even current non Bluetooth are adapting the new Usbc insert so that’s not it.
lol, no fellow commenter, this also happened before they did that, there was even an ONG or random group here that walked around with very cheap wired earbuds to distribute to these rude people a decade ago. It just wasn’t video but downloaded mp3s.
It was a problem before audio jacks got yeeted
Nobody took away their headphone jacks. It’s them who bought devices without one.
Ehh a bit disingenuous. Apple, samsung, and google took away the headphone jack. You either have to get an old phone (like late 2010s) or buy it from niche companies (sony phones, gaming phones, or some chinese phones)
I mean, yes, but a 3.5mm to usb-c adapter is like $10, so that’s still not really an excuse.
Most people use wireless headphones these days, and usb-c headphones are getting more common. (I’m hearing impaired, all headphones sound the same to me, but maybe an audiophile will tell me why usbc headphones suck compared to 3.5mm)
When I bought my new pixel I went to the gym that afternoon and immediately realised I couldn’t use my headphones because I hadn’t been mindful of my missing headphone jack. Worked out in silence, and bought an adapter on the way home for my headphones. Problem solved.
There’s tons of quiet things you can do on your phone if you’re bored and don’t have headphones.
The only people who are allowed to have their phones on full volume plasting noises without headphones are visually impaired people, because otherwise they’d need to put their headphones in just to check what time it is on their phone.
My brand-new Samsung phone has a headphone jack.
I see what you’re saying though, and while that may be true now, it hasn’t always been the case. If sales of the first iPhone model without a headphone jack had hit an all-time low and people kept buying the older models instead, Apple likely would have realized the mistake and brought it back. They did this with their shitty laptop keyboards and removing the HDMI port and card reader too. But instead, people just complained and still bought those devices anyway, signaling to manufacturers that it was okay, and then others followed suit and here we are now.
There’s always alternatives for people willing to stick to their principles. My device still has a removable battery as well and so did the one I had before.
Im glad you still believe in consumer friendly phones. Unfortunately all the flagships oned have decided one port is enough. As for consumer repairs, I wouldnt be surprised if it becomes completely impossible soon, given that apple did try blocking third part parts before with the iphone 13.
Unfortunately all the flagships oned have decided one port is enough.
Customers showed them it’s enough. I don’t blame the companies for it. Supply and demand. Why add features in your devices that only cost you more money to implement when removing it has no effect on the sales.
As for consumer repairs, I wouldnt be surprised if it becomes completely impossible soon
Consumers will be able to choose between repair or replacement of defective products within the two-year legal guarantee period. Companies will have to repair a product for free within that period, if cheaper than a replacement, and continue to offer affordable repairs for five to 10 years after a product’s sale even if it is outside of the guarantee.
Manufacturers and distributors will also have to inform consumers of their right to have products repaired and offer spare parts to independent repairers at reasonable prices.
