• Godric@lemmy.world
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    To paraphrase: “The Houthis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody else and nobody was going to bomb them.”

    Maybe don’t bomb people, and, failing that, don’t be surprised when they bomb you back.

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        Funnier still how the headlines on certain publications work. Houthis bomb Israel, Israel bombs them back; headline is “Israel bombs Yemen in Escalation with Houthis”.

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    Some of these comments are weird.

    The Houthis have been keeping up their blockade for 8 months and have already been bombed by US coalition forces multiple times.

    I don’t think they are at all surprised aside from the fact that it took Israel this long to do the exact same thing.

    I keep seeing lots of “find out phase” comments on other threads which doesn’t make any sense because they’ve been effectively at war for years on end, and definitely with Israel for 8 months.

    The more interesting notion is that Israel also probably bombed some residential areas unlike the US who were trying to destroy missile launch sites to end the blockade.

    Unsure because it was an oil depot.

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    In it’s ‘war against Hamas’ Israel has now bombed 3 countries that has no Hamas

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      The problem with the Israeli attacks i gaza is not the attacks themselves. Israel should have the right to defend themselves on all sides.

      The problem is, that in Palestine they are using this as an excuse to kill as many civilians as they can get away with. This is genocide. They are more or less regulating the population of Palestine, and arguing that they in reality are fighting Hamas. The civilians are unfortunate accidents (that more or less keep on happening day in and day out)

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      Possibly because this is retaliation for drone strikes and not part of the “war against Hamas.”

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      People have been warning from day 1 about the possibility of a regional escalation.

      Apparently you cannot spend months acting in a way that neighboors who already don’t like you find morally reprehensible without some of those neighbors inserting themselves into the conflict.

      The real question is how long can Iran avoid getting dragged into that. And if Iran gets involved directly, will we be able to contain this to a regional war, or will this small decades old conflict between parties whose total population is only about 12 million become the trigger for world war 3.

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        It’s less the people and more the trade routes and resources. Some would argue the most important in the world

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        How is a state that’s largely funded by another state not a proxy for the bigger state? It’s not a Israel Iran proxy war. It’s a us Iran proxy war

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          Iran has been supplying the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas with munitions, intel, and training to support attacks on Israel.

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              Israel is a sovereign nation. According to international law, they are held responsible for their actions. The same law does not apply to independent rebel groups, putting the responsibility on Iran.

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                If Israel can declare itself a sovereign nation on another peoples land there is no reason rebel groups cannot call themselves legitimate rulers. Anyone can call themselves anything.

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            Most of their money and support is coming through Lebanon. And the Moussad is injecting massive ammounts of graft into the Lebanese government in order to destabilize it.

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              Yeah Russia does this trick. Ukraine is still funding the war against itself but traitors are able to operate within the state.

              This shit is cancer

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      Houthis have been getting bombed of more than four years now by United States and Saudi Arabia. Israel ain’t gonna do shit.

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          I’m really getting tired of people casting these murderers in a good light just because they’re fighting Israel.

          Not every fight has a good side and a bad side. Sometimes they’re both bad sides. If North Korea and Mynamar went to war, I would hope no one here would be cheering either side on.

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            It depends how it starts. If North Korea invades a city, slaughters a bunch of innocents while looking them in the eyes, retreats taking a bunch of hostages to boot, and justifies it with a history of shared animosity they’re probably not going to be the sympathetic ones regardless of the opponent being Myanmar.

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              slaughters a bunch of innocents while looking them in the eyes

              So it’s the eye contact that you object to?

              Because the occupation forces have been doing the rest of the things you list and more for 75 years.

              I’m not saying that justifies terrorism, nothing does, but if you want to cast the greater villain, it behooves you to choose the ones that have killed, raped and abducted by far the greater numbers while being the only ones with the power to stop or at the very least dramatically deescalate the atrocities.

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                No, Hamas has the power to stop. All they have to do is surrender and release the hostages. After that if Israel continues THEN it is a genocidal atrocity. Until then it is the intentional consequences of Hamas hiding behind children to protect themselves. The only reason Israel has the higher body count is Hamas uses mass civilian casualties to try and garner sympathy (and you’re supporting that strategy). Not Israel’s fault. Negotiating with terrorists is unethical.

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                  Hamas has the power to stop

                  The power to stop Israel? The FUCK they do!

                  All they have to do is surrender and release the hostages

                  Bullshit. Netanyahu himself keeps saying that they’ll not accept any deal that doesn’t let them resume the genocide after getting the hostages back.

                  Hamas and the hostages are just pretenses covering for the fact that the fascist apartheid regime is hellbent on killing or displacing all Palestinians and erasing all traces of them ever existing in Gaza.

                  After that if Israel continues THEN it is a genocidal atrocity.

                  As I pointed out above, the intent is clear: the Israeli government wants to “eliminate Hamas” and considers every Palestinian a part of or at the very least in support of Hamas. Including the children.

                  It that’s not enough for you to admit that it’s a genocide, nothing will be.

                  Until then it is the intentional consequences of Hamas hiding behind children to protect themselves

                  Fun fact: the IDF uses Palestinian civilians as human shields much more often than Hamas does. Does that make any violence against Israeli civilians acceptable? Of course not!

                  Your double standards are showing.

                  The only reason Israel has the higher body count is Hamas uses mass civilian casualties to try and garner sympathy

                  No, Israel has killed over 100x as many because Israel has one of the biggest and most advanced military in the history of humanity whereas Hamas is a couple thousands of poorly armed terrorists and the real “enemy” the IDF is targeting is the Palestinian population at large.

                  and you’re supporting that strategy

                  Classic Zionist bullshit. Not being pro-genocide like you doesn’t mean that I’m pro-Hamas.

                  Whether Hamas is “trying to” make it so or not, it takes someone who’s either heartless or completely blinded by Hasbara gaslighting to see 186,000+ die, most of them civilians, and not have sympathy for the civilians of Gaza.

                  Not Israel’s fault.

                  That’s the biggest lie you’ve told yet, which is saying a shitload.

                  Negotiating with terrorists is unethical.

                  So what you’re saying is that Israel has to keep up the genocide? After all, it’s not like they have anyone else to negotiate with than Hamas.

                  Be better. Or at the very least less credulous.

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    The Houthi leadership is just as evil as the Israeli leadership, in terms of how they brutalize and murder noncombatants who don’t share their views and want no part in their holy war.

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    Yes, Israel escalated this. When they bomb innocent trade ships, that’s fine, that’s not escalation that’s just tuesday and they are being cute.

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      Yes, fuck them. They should let peaceful Houtis keep bombing ships and innocent people. Poor terrorists, can’t even terror in peace these days.

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        Poor Waffen IDF can’t do genocide with zero consequences?

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    Is this still called self defence? Surely people can see through this. No?

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        Being hated for being religious or a certain type of religion IS VERY DIFFERENT than being hated for being genocidal assholes.

        Same way most people don’t care for a certain German vegetarian painter’s antics in that timeframe, but not the German people.

        Or not liking TV Evangelists because they’re greedy assholes that steal from the poor to buy private jets. The fairy stories they peddle are irrelevant.

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    hopefully they try to open a third front with Lebanon and seal the deal on the end of their apartheid settler project 🙏

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    REAL Jews LOVE War and Death and Bombs!

    -Evangelical Republicans who are also NOT Snowflakes!

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    For the people who criticize fellow arabs don’t care about palestinians.

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      Trump loves bibi, he loves authoritarian leaders, he would send us boots over there to please bibi