• conditional_soup@lemm.ee
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    Real talk, it’s going to be like the troubles or the early days of Nazi Germany, not like people forming battle lines and shit. The only way the latter happens is if states secede; one viable scenario I’ve considered is California/Pacifica seceding and a subsequent shooting fight over water rights, because of how much water California gets from the Colorado River basin and other water sources outside its borders. But realistically, it’s going to be shitty partisan on partisan on innocent bystander violence.

    Best advice I’ve heard is to form close ties and mutual aid agreements with your neighbors and friends. A small network of people can be far, far, far more resilient in defending protecting themselves than individuals or families can.

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      Best advice I’ve heard is to form close ties and mutual aid agreements with your neighbors and friends.

      My neighbors are heavy GOP supporters. The single political sign I’ve ever put in my yard was to support the Pro Reproductive Freedom amendment ballot measure (pro choice amendment, which subsequently passed!). All of my neighbors had signs in their yard opposing it. I had a neighbor that lived a block away stop me while I was mowing my law asking me why I support a law that killed babies and turning kids trans. Nothing in the reproductive freedom amendment language has anything to do with anything trans.

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      Best advice I’ve heard is to form close ties and mutual aid agreements with your neighbors and friends. A small network of people can be far, far, far more resilient in defending protecting themselves than individuals or families can.

      I read an interview with someone from the war in Bosnia, and he talked about surviving the war. He said big families, in one house, they had an easier war. When shit gets real is when “friends” start to evaporate or turn their back, a lot more than you would think. The single people, or little families off on their own, they mostly didn’t make it.

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        It’s because that war was about national (racial) and religious identity. Families usually belonged together then.

        In Usa it will be a little different. Race would be one aspect, too. But more so your wealth/social status. A struggle between classes. Rich against poor, and many shades in between.

        And maybe young against old. Conservativism has gone too far in both (still so-called) parties. “Left” may not be progressive enough anymore.

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      It would never happen, no one in CA wants to leave the US and figure out how to maintain a national robust military. Also it’s really unlikely any US armed forces would break off from the US in significant numbers, so if you want to enforce your new country, you need to navigate a potential war with a military that has bases, weapons development, troops, and equipment in the most strategically advantaged locations. You’d need to silently create a counter army, and have VERY risky attacks at nearly every base all the same time, and capture most of the equipment in the process. If you aren’t force marching hundreds of US military people to a secure location, you aren’t winning any war, and the only successful way to exit the US is to have a military strong enough to prevent the US from immediately seizing control of the state, or thinking twice about starting a war.

      It’s infinitly easier to use the existing system to progress the country in the direction you want to go over all.

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      I saw a clip years ago of a car or bike backfiring. People were panicing like it was gun fire. Even though NYC and The Grand Canyon look amazing, I would hate to visit an me on edge whether a shooting will occur or not.

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        I looked up shooting stats last year, specifically I compared USA shootings and deaths to Canada. It’s an amazing difference even after adjusting for the population difference. What I found odd when Trump got shot was the crowd behind him didn’t dive for cover, some of the fools stood up and looked around.

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    Probably just continue to talk shit to Nazis until one of them kills me.

    Y’know, a life well lived.

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        Its not about letting anyone kill me. I’m just realistic. I run my mouth a lot when it comes to Nazis, and I’m not a fighter. It stands to reason one day my rhetoric will piss off the wrong person, and it stands to reason that’ll be what kills me. Depending on how sadistic said person can get, there are worse ways to go.

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    Take the US example and close all EU borders to american refugees. If you still try, we unfortunately have to put you into detention centers.

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      It’s so hard to get over there as an American anyway! You guys have these standards! And it’s not like we can just swim across the ocean and sneak in!

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    As a Canadian: stay the heck away the border because who knows if they’re gonna launch a missile at Niagara Falls, NY and hit Niagara Falls, ON?

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    Starve? Die from lack of medicine/doctors? Get killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

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    Hunker down and see if the neighbors attack. It’s 50/50 around here. I don’t think my neighbors will attack me but who knows! I’ve got enough guns and ammo to defend myself if it’s not a super heavy attack. Idk, in a civil war, does everyone just start fighting? I’d probably be more careful going to the store…

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      I’d probably be more careful going to the store…

      Robert Evans did a podcast on what it might look like to have a civil war happening here. If I remember correctly it wasn’t so much that neighbors would randomly attack each other, but the travel was definitely different with lots of checkpoints and stuff like that.

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    Watch it unfold on TV News, I expect. And then think about it less and less as it begins just another fucked-up thing happening in the world.

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    We have a bug out spot in a very remote area near the border. It’s where we plan on retiring anyway. Stay the hell out of the way of the war I suppose.

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    Focus on hit and run, and harassment tactics. Spec into speed and endurance, and use mostly Void Rays, hopefully we can wrap it up in mid game with a decent economy and a mid level apm.