Go look up communist countries and strongholds throughout Central and South America in the 70s-90s. Even people here calling me a liar don’t realize that even when a country wasn’t communist, there were regions, villages, etc that were fully controlled by communist forces. They raped little girls and took the boys to force into fighting so that didn’t seem so socialist to me.
And just because the opposition forces led by the west were just as brutal it doesn’t make the guerillas any less culpable
what specific guerillas or strongholds are you referring to? its hard to learn from history without being able to name any dates, places, people, or any details at all. without those things it isnt history its just like a vibe. like you have bad vibes about communism, which youre entitled to i guess. i have a little bit more curiosity than that though. i think that if we arent discussing anything specific, then we arent discussing anything at all.
You want me to doxx myself but I’m not gonna bite. I do remember meeting a friend’s aunt who went full communism and joined the guerillas who were understandably fighting against a right wing fascist government backed by the west. And the guerillas were so happy when Russia started backing them, (this is when you realize we’re just brown people pawns for white people proxy wars). Once the money and arms started coming in, the commune suddenly became the high command and the grunts, and women like me friends aunt became sex slaves to leaders and commanders that demanded them at gunpoint. Nearby villages became empty after everyone was run off or killed by guerillas. In the end they became as bad as the fascists they were fighting.
Their communist revolution never made it all the way, cause human nature took hold long before that.
it sounds like you hate human nature not communism. Anyway that sounds terrible, I wish you were able to give me more details so that I could try and learn from your friend’s family’s experience. I wouldn’t try to doxx you, I don’t have that kind of free time or energy, but I def understand the hesitation.
I guess I would argue that calling something communism doesn’t make it so, and there’s all different strains of communism too. For example, I’ve often found myself working with Trotskyists who explicitly reject forming “communes” that could become cults, and guerilla groups to seize power through violence. Even if its good for the people to form militias, trots tend to believe it isn’t where the energy of the “vanguard” should be directed, and that instead people should seize political power and smash the state via those means. There’s no history I’m aware of of what you’re describing happening with Trotskyists, in fact there’s sort of a nasty history of trotskyists getting rounded up and killed by the sort of groups you are against.
You can be a socialist and recognize the need to change the social order away from capitalism while still being suspicious of communism. Just because a guerilla group did something awful doesn’t mean capitalism is good (which you don’t say, you seem to have some anti imperialist critiques of capitalism yourself) or even that there is no alternative to capitalism. If this is the best system possible, the planet, all people are fucked. Something, someone has to fight against it. Capitalism can’t be reformed.
Its interesting that your misanthropy seems to be directed at a system that has never existed rather than the system that actually exists. But I don’t know you so maybe that’s an unfair generalization. Anyway, thanks for your response, maybe next time we can have a more detailed discussion.
Go look up communist countries and strongholds throughout Central and South America in the 70s-90s. Even people here calling me a liar don’t realize that even when a country wasn’t communist, there were regions, villages, etc that were fully controlled by communist forces. They raped little girls and took the boys to force into fighting so that didn’t seem so socialist to me.
And just because the opposition forces led by the west were just as brutal it doesn’t make the guerillas any less culpable
what specific guerillas or strongholds are you referring to? its hard to learn from history without being able to name any dates, places, people, or any details at all. without those things it isnt history its just like a vibe. like you have bad vibes about communism, which youre entitled to i guess. i have a little bit more curiosity than that though. i think that if we arent discussing anything specific, then we arent discussing anything at all.
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You want me to doxx myself but I’m not gonna bite. I do remember meeting a friend’s aunt who went full communism and joined the guerillas who were understandably fighting against a right wing fascist government backed by the west. And the guerillas were so happy when Russia started backing them, (this is when you realize we’re just brown people pawns for white people proxy wars). Once the money and arms started coming in, the commune suddenly became the high command and the grunts, and women like me friends aunt became sex slaves to leaders and commanders that demanded them at gunpoint. Nearby villages became empty after everyone was run off or killed by guerillas. In the end they became as bad as the fascists they were fighting. Their communist revolution never made it all the way, cause human nature took hold long before that.
it sounds like you hate human nature not communism. Anyway that sounds terrible, I wish you were able to give me more details so that I could try and learn from your friend’s family’s experience. I wouldn’t try to doxx you, I don’t have that kind of free time or energy, but I def understand the hesitation.
I guess I would argue that calling something communism doesn’t make it so, and there’s all different strains of communism too. For example, I’ve often found myself working with Trotskyists who explicitly reject forming “communes” that could become cults, and guerilla groups to seize power through violence. Even if its good for the people to form militias, trots tend to believe it isn’t where the energy of the “vanguard” should be directed, and that instead people should seize political power and smash the state via those means. There’s no history I’m aware of of what you’re describing happening with Trotskyists, in fact there’s sort of a nasty history of trotskyists getting rounded up and killed by the sort of groups you are against.
You can be a socialist and recognize the need to change the social order away from capitalism while still being suspicious of communism. Just because a guerilla group did something awful doesn’t mean capitalism is good (which you don’t say, you seem to have some anti imperialist critiques of capitalism yourself) or even that there is no alternative to capitalism. If this is the best system possible, the planet, all people are fucked. Something, someone has to fight against it. Capitalism can’t be reformed.
Its interesting that your misanthropy seems to be directed at a system that has never existed rather than the system that actually exists. But I don’t know you so maybe that’s an unfair generalization. Anyway, thanks for your response, maybe next time we can have a more detailed discussion.
Edited some clarity and tone