Trump, the same Trump that killed boarder legislation because he didn’t want to give biden a win?
Not him, no, never.
Via user kingshrubb: Apparently she retracted her comments https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/22/world/middleeast/trump-netanyahu-cease-fire-talks-israel-woodruff-pbs.html
I’m gonna need more than somebody’s social media post on this.
Edit: Because right now it’s “somebody’s” social media post with an unsourced and undated quote from “someone” referring to “reporting,” with a picture of a lady that has a PBS/NewsHour watermark. This is exactly the kind of thing you should be skeptical of in the absence of better confirmation, all up and down that ladder of vagueness.
You right, ill change my title.
Edit: Here’s the original discussion w/ timestamp. I want to say, I’ve been avoiding xwitter for so long I really hate linking it right now.
Here’s a couple links if anyone wants to venture down this rabbit hole
https://www.axios.com/2024/08/15/trump-netanyahu-gaza-hostage-ceasefire-deal-call
https://www.reuters.com/world/netanyahu-denies-report-he-spoke-trump-about-gaza-talks-2024-08-15/
Edit2:
Possible replacement for that twitter link, here’s an article discussing Woodruff’s comments - https://web.archive.org/web/20240820213405/https://newrepublic.com/post/185076/donald-trump-scheme-beat-kamala-harris-benjamin-netanyahu-ceasefire
I would delete it but it’s too relevant to the meme. Alternative link to the dnc footage would be nice, tho.
The rueters one doesn’t indicate anything about Trump talking to Bibi and discouraging him from setting up a peace deal.
To me it’s still relevant because it establishes that trump has an open line of communication to bibi and he is directly expressing to him his thoughts about the Genocide in Gaza.
Wish there was more reporting around this.
- In his meeting with Netanyahu at Mar-a-Lago a day after the Fox News interview, Trump said the situation with the hostages is very tough and that they have to be returned immediately.
Yeah. The hostage situation is “very tough”. They’re not gonna ‘fix’ that for him its just right out there like that’s how leaders talk. As if. And, agreed, he couldn’t lead a Mongol horde out of a wet paper bag.
I don’t see fox news reporting on Trump breaching the Logan act. They also know that Netanyahu will stop the attacks the second trump is elected to help him politically. It’s gross.
Non of those links confirm the tweet. Honestly this smells like fake news, as OP, has pointed out.
Agreed. The “lady” is Judy Woodruff, PBS anchor and correspondent since it was the MacNeill-Lehrer News Hour, so it would greatly surprise me if she didn’t have some credible evidence behind “the reporting is”.
But I missed that moment last night, so I’d want to be sure she said it.
She did, see link above.
Complete tangent but how did you edit your comment without causing an edit mark to appear on it?
I edited it within a very short time after posting it. There’s some kind of “grace period” (at least on fedia.io), but I don’t know exactly what it is.
Reddit had a 2-3 min window to edit without it being marked as such; I haven’t noticed that on lemmy.world (dunno if it matters instance to instance).
Any edits on SJW are instantly marked
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I didn’t know Social Justice Warriors had an instance on Lemmy.
Oh… it’s just shit again. Haha.
😂You really think Judy Woodruff is gonna put her reputation on the line by spreading BS? Good lord…
Edit: Oof, turns out she apologized and got the story wrong.
I don’t see any indication that she’s related to this. Anyone can put a picture of anyone near some text, and claim that they are quoting that person.
Google it. It’s on her Twitter account. She said it but she recently apologized and said she got it wrong.
I could, but that’s not the point. The point is that someone posted a picture of some text, without any sources. And that when someone asks for a shred of proof, some people don’t get why. This is very important.
And this is what I’m trying to tell you, and anyone else reading. A picture of text is not reliable, and it does not help that there’s also a picture of someone you trust. The guy asking for proof is the sensible voice, not the voice of a person with issues.
OP did follow up with proof though, people who are too lazy to Google the quote are also too lazy to read OPs proof and instead act like they should be spoon fed everything.
So like the alleged deal between the Reagan campaign and Iran during the hostage crisis to get elected and oust Carter?
Or Kissinger and North Vietnam to get Nixon elected. It’s a time honored Republican strategy.
What do you mean? Oliver North took all the blame!
Oh no, you’re thinking of Iran-Contra, the other treasonous act that Reagan committed involving Iran. OP is talking about the rumored deal Reagan made with Iran wherein Iran would not release the American hostages until after the 1980 election. Coincidentally, the hostages were released on January 20th, 1981, the day Reagan was sworn in.
Sidenote, has anyone seen the Netflix documentary about the octopus murders? I think the proof that Reagan made that deal is at the heart of that conspiracy.
Edit: I’ve just come across this in another thread. It seems the hostage deal between Reagan and Iran did, in fact, happen. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a43368900/reagan-iran-hostages/
Aw shucks. You know just when you think you hone in on one depraved scandal of Reagan, you realize you’re mixing it up with another depraved scandal of Reagan.
I highly recommend watching American Conspiracy on Netflix. The way the CIA and government actually operates is pretty disturbing, but the subject of the documentary is how the justice department stole a software program from a private company and resold it to foreign governments so that it could raise funds to repay Earl Brian, who had provided $40 million to Iran to hold the hostages until after the election.
I do not recall.
🎶 Ollie North 🎶 OLLIE NORTH 🎶
Isn’t him doing that illegal? Like very illegal?
Do you think either Trump or Netanyahu gives a single shit about what’s legal?
look, he’s doing this in the context of his presidential duties, this makes it completely legal, duh, fucking serfs getting uppity. ~~SCOTUS
SCOTUS truly would decide that actions during an election year are presidential duties, unless they are impeachable and an impeachment is successful, in which case they were private citizen stuff all along.
no, impeachment doesn’t matter anymore, literally only the SCOTUS declared the president untouchable, as long as they agree
Yeah, but if Reagan can get away with it
I wish people would stop saying “but” and maybe just like call it in? Stage a protest? Demand that he be brought up for charges?
Like if it’s a crime and he doesn’t have a defense, uhh… like what’s the holdup? The “Teflon Don” from your history books was eventually convicted, even after it seemed his ability to escape consequences was limitless.
Maybe if they stopped sending billions in weapons to Israel they could make something happen.
How so? It’s clearly evil but I don’t know which law.
Logan law or something?
IANAL but I think the Logan Act only applies if the USA is a party in the dispute.
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It is crazy to me that all of the “Genocide Joe” crowd don’t see that Netanyahu wants Trump to win so he can show the world what genocide actually looks like.
Well, not that crazy, considering a good portion of them are propagandists.
It all so closely resembles 2016. Remember the phantom Bernie Facebook groups? Remember “Bernie supporters” voting trump instead. They think we are idiots and some of us must be for falling for it, time, and time again.
I’ve noticed a considerable lack of the usual suspects from that particular crowd in this thread.
How do we summon the Liberty Hub?
Just write that China is committing atrocities against the Uyghurs. It’s like the Bat Signal for authoritarians cosplaying as leftists on Lemmy.
Dunno, I’m not a summoner. I’ve seen either flying squid or ensign crab summon people somehow, but, as I’m too lazy to go look it up, it’s a power beyond my ability.
Where is our little rogues gallery right now? Every single thread for every little detail any Dem does, they are reliably in the comments screeching. “How wretched is this miserable party to stoop so low, how despicable their voters!” But I haven’t seen any of them in this thread.
Reagan did the same thing with the hostages in the embassy in Iran.
Lol I was like “hold on, I’ve seen this one”
I feel like Nixon at least knew how to wear a suit.
And actually did some decent things among his bullshit - one decent thing being starting the EPA.
He also signed OSHA into law. His presidency is such a mixed bag.
ARRROOOOO
And Democrats will just allow the Republican to get away with treason ‘for the good of the country’, even though that’s how we got into this mess. If Nixon actually went to jail, this whole era of Republican dirty tricks and corruption would’ve never happened.
They’ve got a lot of lawsuits against him already. And this act he can’t use “presidential duties” to hide behind because he ain’t president. If there’s evidence I can see Garland prosecuting.
theRe Really seems to be a common thRead between all these cRiminals that’s difficult to deteRmine.
Great, next Trump’s regressive economic policies will become bipartisan, and we’ll have a generation of propagandized liberals telling us they’re ackchually helpful.
“Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable with imprisonment for up to three years.”
I can only say: Lock him up!
I can only say: Lock him up!
…if convicted by a jury of his peers…
Pretrial detention would be appropriate for someone with a history of attempted witness intimidation and with the means to flee the country
A jury of his peers have convicted him before. It’s the judges he seated that are the biggest problem.
Well yes ofcourse, I kinda forgot that’s not always to be taken for granted :-]
A jury of his peers could only be people that fail in business, sociopaths, pedophiles, and… former presidents?
He’s already been convicted by one jury. It’s not impossible
Boy, if this had happened twice I’d have two nickels.
OH WAIT
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_October_Surprise_theory
Republicans just genuinely don’t have any original ideas.
Straight out of the Republican play book.
Donald doing a Ronald
I prefer to call it the Little Dicky
Those crowd sizes are so small, have you seen them? :D
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It’s posts like this that always oddly have 0 tankie comments lamenting about genocide Joe. Weird how that is, it’s like they avoid all articles that disprove their entire worldview. Crazy.
I want to point out that there may not be that many “tankies” on Lemmy. And Biden isnt running right ? So its not “genocide Joe” … it is now in Kamala’s court.
Problem: Kamala is tough on crime, Kamala is tough on bordercontrol ( she famously told people “DO NOT COME TO THE UNITED STATES”. She is strong in every talking point Conservatives and Right-wing media are throwing at establishment democrats.
So “tankies” are the far-left commies, so they agree on everything to the other extreme with right-wing nuts.
Kamala is poison to both extreme groups. Hence crickets you get silence.
Hey I’m pretty extreme and anti-genocide, but I think we all hope she just wins so we can start giving her a hard time about Israel and her conservative stances, without worrying about the much worse option getting elected.
But I’m not even American. So the domestic aspect doesn’t impact me and much, beyond of course wanting the best for you guys
Yeah if I have to choose between two evils I’m going to always take the one that is lesser and open to criticism over the one who revels in their evil
Not an American either. But if US Elections blowup, it will impact jobs and markets worldwide. Things can go south pretty fast and not everyone has safety nets or nest eggs to save themselves.
Idk about Lemmy, but I lose brain cells on YouTube about this stuff whenever I make a mistake of scrolling down to read the comments. Just yesterday I saw a comment under a video where someone was speaking in support for Harris, the comment was something like “supporting evil and not knowing it”. I am not gonna outright say that Kamala is not evil, but to call Kamala evil over Trump takes some very high level of ignorance.
Just when you think he couldn’t be any more cartoonishly evil.
“Oh waiter, more genocide please”
Waiter: “excellent choice sir. Unfortunately, we have nothing in stock from the Geno region of Eastern and centre Europe or the Atroci region of sub Saharan Africa. The best I can offer is sparking murder induced ethnic cleansing.”
Something, something, Iran Hostage Crisis, something, something, more bullshit from the Reagan playbook
To all the "Harris and Trump are the same crowd, stop being so cowardly and try to say that shit here and now. Or don’t, and confirm that this whole time you were being wilfully ignorant because you enjoy purity politics nonsense.
I’d like to have a serious discussion with a “leftist” who is unwilling to sully themselves with a Harris vote.
It know it’s not possible because their politics are fed by their emotions but I’d love to know what they think Americans can accomplish in 2-3 months that will help keep trump out of office.
Fine, maybe they accept that there is nothing that can be done. Then I’d ask, how can you delude yourself into thinking a trump presidency will be no big deal? The answers gotta be they want to destabilize the government. If that’s true, I can’t see how they reconcile the human toll that comes with it.
I don’t want to see their lives turn to shit with everyone else’s but if they really think trump is the same grade of shit as the democrats it’s going to be a rude awakening. They are walking themselves off a ledge and I’m so pissed about it.
It’s true, humans have the ability to overcome great obstacles. The formula for that type of change has never been determined. Our influence must be measured and maybe they have. Maybe the calculus adds up. Except, I’ve gotten no indication they they are even willing to rationalize what they are asking for.
In 2016 we got maga’s. How cruel would it be if the political pendulum doesn’t swing and away toward justice and injustice but rather; order and disorder. Isolated power to opposing isolated power.
If I were Kamala I’d disavow Isreal today. If I were biden I’d send Isreal 20 billion dollars worth of dog shit. Despite all that I can only take the small actions available to me that will set the course of what I want to see done. I don’t want to live in an America without democracy. So the choice is plain. Fascism is here? Of course it is, no one has stood up to it yet. By no one, I mean my neighbors. My brothers and sisters. My community. My local government. The federal government.
Sure we have dissenters but they cannot even stand on the high principles they have stood up.
Fine, maybe they accept that there is nothing that can be done. Then I’d ask, how can you delude yourself into thinking a trump presidency will be no big deal? The answers gotta be they want to destabilize the government. If that’s true, I can’t see how they reconcile the human toll that comes with it.
No, this is it exactly.
In some of their comment history and they are praising China and other authoritarian countries. They don’t care that it is state capitalism producing billionaires, just everything about the US is bad so anything anti-US is good. They want the US to collapse so China can expand influence. They don’t care about the human toll or will excuse it as means justified by the end.
Usually if they have that comment history you can get them to flip out just by stating their agenda. They do a long-ass theorypost in response. Also asking why Uyghur genocide is excusable will make them angry.
The ones who are not foreign to the US or extremely privileged children who believe they will be on a college campus in perpetuity, sheltered from Donald by mommy and daddy’s money.
Where I’m going with that is you can’t trade one human suffering for another. Especially with the moral absolution they espose. They live in a world where any time you want something done you go and hit the easy button. You want to stop the Genocide in Gaza; go hit the easy button or else the blood is on your hands.
We get it. You are just shining a light on the darkness. To belabor the metaphor; a monument to fascism is be erected in your back yard and if we don’t stop it now it’s going to cast a shadow on the entire united states. Their answer to this? “Bring on the night.” Which makes it real rich when they say their shining a light.
So what’s Kamala’s strong stance on this genocide then?
Seems to me she doesn’t want to ruffle the feathers of AIPAC and the like. That’s not very inspiring. Hell, innocent people are dying in Gaza every day and she tells protestors “I’M TALKING”.
She is part of the problem. And so are you. ☺️
AND WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT: The journalist who reported that story said it wasn’t real and apologized.
OOOPS! Sorry Mr. Liberal capitalist war hungry monster.😚
So what’s Kamala’s strong stance on this genocide then?
Given the fact that Trump has told Netanyahu not to come to a ceasefire agreement with Harris… what do you think her stance on genocide is then? This isn’t rocket science-- Trump clearly knows a ceasefire agreement that involves Harris and Netanyahu is on the table.
Seems to me she doesn’t want to ruffle the feathers of AIPAC and the like. That’s not very inspiring. Hell, innocent people are dying in Gaza every day and she tells protestors “I’M TALKING”.
Is she POTUS yet? Can she tell Israel with any authority to do anything beyond her capacity as VP? Can you see why it would be absurdly presumptuous of her to do presidential things before she’s even been elected?
She is part of the problem. And so are you. ☺️
Again, why do you think Trump called Netanyahu and told him not to agree to a ceasefire with Dems?
That story was fake and the journalist apologized.
Not sure why people are downvoting you. I searched your claim and am surprised to see that yes you are right-- Judy Woodruff apologized for her statement last night and essentially retracted it. When you’re right, you’re right.
For anyone doubting, search it up yourself. I’m on my garbage phone and it takes too long to link stuff nicely on here.
I probably could have provided sources, rather than just make bold statements without proof. lol Kinda my bad
So, I’ve tried searching it up myself. All I’ve been able to find is one article saying that one journalist, who was reporting from the DNC, had reported the story on live broadcast. She later stated that it wasn’t her reporting, but something she had seen reported elsewhere. There’s also, in that single article, a line about both Trump and Netanyahu denying that the phone call happened at all.
Trump at least isn’t the most reliable source, and I have doubts about Netanyahu always being truthful to media, western or otherwise.
That said, I’d definitely be willing to believe it isn’t true. I’d just like to see more than one article on the retraction.
Look up Woodruff’s Twitter account, her statement is on there. The conversation may very well have happened but Woodruff admits there’s no reliable source.
That got me there. So, could still very well have happened, but it’s rumour at this point.
Cheers
The fact is she either wins the election or it won’t matter what she thinks. The administration cannot take a anti-Netanyahu/pro-Palestinian position right now without losing Jewish support, both voters and donors. I suspect post-election we’ll see Biden & Kamala suddenly become much more vocal against what Israel is doing.
Oh I’m just sure that Linkerbaan is reposting this as we speak. Since he totally wasn’t lying about Trump supposedly trying to negotiate a ceasefire lol
man I’m against genocide as much as any reasonable person. but fuck that guy.
Zionist!! /s
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You obviously support genocide then!! /s
Maybe this is known but he’s linkerbaanned from this community. I just so happened to notice when browsing the mod log one day.
I like it. Now let’s do the whole instance
If only. When will enough be enough? It’s so crystal-clear he has no intention of discussing in good faith.
There are many like that who if I’m being completely honest question how good faith their beliefs are that they seem so far removed from reality. On the other hand I recently met a person in real life who genuinely believes in a lot of this stuff and yet we see eye to eye on many other things so tough to say.
I have a limit to my patience with what I see are poor arguments but I do try to give a few replies of sincere discourse.
Doesn’t that violate some US law? He is not authorized to negotiate with a foreign power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act
Nobody has ever been convicted under the Logan act, and Trump is desperate to win to shield himself from much more serious charges. But yes, if likely does.
He can be the first to be convicted of it then. Trump loves superlatives
The only reason I could believe it, is that it’s happened before. See: Reagan and the Iran hostages.
Still, I’m going to need a better source. This seems uncharacteristically competent.
If that’s true, it’s absolutely abominable.
And illegal
