You can access data from deleted forks, deleted repositories and even private repositories on GitHub. And it is available forever. This is known by GitHub, and intentionally designed that way.
I’d guess because the same argument could be made for the website you’re on right now. Why use that when we could just use mailing lists instead?
More specifically: Sure, Git is decentral at its core, but all the tooling that has been built around it, like issue tracking, is not. Suggesting to go back to email, even if some projects still use it, isn’t the way to go forward.
Git has bundled tooling to support pushing MRs to mailing lists.
Email is existing infrastructure. I’m the kind of guy who hates the powerbanks solar route and prefer selling excess solar power to the grid instead. This also has the benefit on allowing you to customize your notifications from subscribed repositories however you like.
The reason we’re not on a mailing list is because we have an extra feature mailing lists can’t offer: reacting, be that upvoting, downvoting, or bookmarking/boosting. Meanwhile, you don’t need that on a development forum. You do have editing, though. Hopefully everyone’s using a client that supports undo.
IMO, the slower speed of email makes people think more before they send.
I’m sorry to be blunt, but mailing lists just suck for group conversations and are a crutch that only gained popularity due to the lack of better alternatives at the time. While the current solutions also come with their own unique set of drawbacks, it’s undeniable that the majority clearly prefers them and wouldn’t want to go back. There’s a reason why almost everyone switched over.
Mailing lists offer everything needed for a discussion: sending words, threading discussion (that’s already better than every competitor!), and receiving words. All of this is done fast with modern email’s push syncing. Sure, it’s not instant messaging, but development discussions shouldn’t be chatty. Sure, it’s not good for voting, but one can and should just link to one of these online polling services that guarantee integrity instead.
Technically you can do everything through email, because everything online can be represented as text. Doesn’t mean you should.
PRs also aren’t just a simple back and forth anymore: Tagging, Assignees, inline reviews, CI with checks, progress tracking, and yes, reactions. Sure, you can kinda hack all of that into a mailing list but at that point it’s becoming really clunky and abuses email even more for something it was never meant to handle. Having a purpose-built interface for that is just so much nicer.
From a self-hosting perspective, it looks like much more of a pain to get it set up and to keep it updated. There aren’t even official Docker images or builds. (There’s this and the forks of it, but it’s unofficial and explicitly says it’s not recommended for prod use.)
sourcehut is much better if you can pay
Edit: Only repo hosters need to pay. Everything else is free.
I want forgejo for its upcoming federation feature tbh.
Considering that git doesn’t need federation, and email is the grandfather of federation, sourcehut has a working version of it this very moment.
Why the downvotes?
I’d guess because the same argument could be made for the website you’re on right now. Why use that when we could just use mailing lists instead?
More specifically: Sure, Git is decentral at its core, but all the tooling that has been built around it, like issue tracking, is not. Suggesting to go back to email, even if some projects still use it, isn’t the way to go forward.
I’m sorry to be blunt, but mailing lists just suck for group conversations and are a crutch that only gained popularity due to the lack of better alternatives at the time. While the current solutions also come with their own unique set of drawbacks, it’s undeniable that the majority clearly prefers them and wouldn’t want to go back. There’s a reason why almost everyone switched over.
Mailing lists offer everything needed for a discussion: sending words, threading discussion (that’s already better than every competitor!), and receiving words. All of this is done fast with modern email’s push syncing. Sure, it’s not instant messaging, but development discussions shouldn’t be chatty. Sure, it’s not good for voting, but one can and should just link to one of these online polling services that guarantee integrity instead.
Technically you can do everything through email, because everything online can be represented as text. Doesn’t mean you should.
PRs also aren’t just a simple back and forth anymore: Tagging, Assignees, inline reviews, CI with checks, progress tracking, and yes, reactions. Sure, you can kinda hack all of that into a mailing list but at that point it’s becoming really clunky and abuses email even more for something it was never meant to handle. Having a purpose-built interface for that is just so much nicer.
What makes sourcehut better?
From a self-hosting perspective, it looks like much more of a pain to get it set up and to keep it updated. There aren’t even official Docker images or builds. (There’s this and the forks of it, but it’s unofficial and explicitly says it’s not recommended for prod use.)
It also supports browsing without JavaScript, if that’s your thing.
Sourcehut has straightforward much better UI, UX, and features (more than gitea/forgejo but less than GitLab ig). I really dig the subdomain design.
Issues and PRs are conducted through email, essentially making that part federated and signup-less.
I’ve seen many pieces of software that claim to be beta/not used for prod but are actually bedrock solid.