• shalafi@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Piracy is theft. Period.

    The only remaining question is if one requires an argument to steal in this context. I am fine with this theft and require no justification to sleep well.

    "Commander Lock : Dammit, Morpheus. Not everyone believes what you believe.

    Morpheus : My beliefs do not require them to."

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        3 months ago

        The fruits of artistic labour.

        Ask any artist if they’d rather their work not be enjoyed at all, or enjoyed for free.

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          3 months ago

          Typically it’s the fruits of distributing someone else’s artistic labor that are stolen not paid. The artists are under contract with the producers/distributors, so they get paid regardless (if we’re talking RIAA/MPAA/record labels/movie studios).

          Making a copy of something isn’t the same as stealing it. Making a copy of something and trying to pass it off as your own work is fraud, but that’s outside the scope of digital piracy. “Theft” requires that the stolen item is no longer in the possession of the original owner.

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            3 months ago

            Yeah, that’s exactly it. That was my point: It’s better to be enjoyed for free than not at all.

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            3 months ago

            No. Almost all industries nowadays rely on IP. Nobody is manufacturing in Europe or US anymore. The most lucrative business of scale rely on software, logistics and other IP.

            Most people who do piracy don’t understand how their job also depends on IP in one way or the other. Their idealostic world view is incoherent. If you do privacy at least own up to it. You’re copying someone else’s work and there is no moral argument to do that in a non-socialist world.

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              3 months ago

              There was a time when the same could be said about slavery. People’s lives depended on slavery and they couldn’t imagine an economy without it and yet here we are.

              No one should own a person and no one should own an idea.

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              3 months ago

              You’re copying someone else’s work

              That’s how culture works and has worked since humans have been human, you damn lunatic.

              Copying and retelling and sharing each other’s stories and works is what makes us human and differentiates us from other animals, you monstrously ignorant tool.

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                3 months ago

                You’re completely oblivious to modern day society. It’s not difficult to understand that this idealized reality doesn’t exist. It’s basic economics.

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      I don’t know. I like the clarity of your view, but the word theft has implicit the idea that you having it makes someone else not have it.

      Theft is wrong even by poor people, because what you steal might reduce availability to other poor people. But piracy is “theft lite”, in the sense that when people without disposable income do it, nobody loses anything. Maybe the creator will even gain a little free notoriety.

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        Theft is wrong even by poor people

        All I have to say about that is, if you see a poor person steal food, no you didn’t