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    Further propagating the misinformation that the President has any reasonably effective way to lower grocery prices? Nixon’s grocery price fixing was an unmitigated disaster. An Executive Order is the only tool in the President’s toolbox for controlling grocery prices without congressional legislation. Biden couldn’t lower prices in 2020, just as Trump can’t lower them in 2024.

    POTUS is responsible for many important things. The price of a bottle of Coke is not one of them.

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      Presidents and administrations might not be able to dictate specific prices, but they can and do enact laws and regulations that influence or even define the economy. Trump’s proposed tariffs are expected –not just by economists, but by markets, as seen after the election– to raise prices and, if they are enacted and result in the predicted outcome, fingers should be pointed at his Orangeness.

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        The President does not create laws, Congress does. The President can repeal laws, which doesn’t help in this context.

        Tariffs are not laws. They are an additional tax, and you’re correct in stating that they certainly won’t lower prices.

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          The tariff establishes the market floor. Trump can enact tariffs without congress. It will be setting the economy on several market vectors.

          If you don’t know how it works, don’t post troll content. #NotFeedingFurther #BrandolinisLaw

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            No additional tariff is capable of lowering a product’s price. It’s simply a way to give domestic production a competitive advantage without them lowering their prices.

            My point is about the President’s limitations on fixing or lowering grocery prices, not raising them.

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                The Chicken Wars resulted in more expensive European imported chicken, not less expensive domestic chicken.

                Not a single response in this thread has explained how a president can lower grocery store prices, and I’m the troll?

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      The Republicans have the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the Presidency. Trump can either lead his party to deliver for the American people, or he can’t. If executive orders are all he can do, then he really is a failure.

      As for the powers of the executive, he may not have any direct ability to dictate prices, but tariffs and antitrust are pretty significant tools. If Trump’s FTC allows the Albertsons Kroger merger that Biden’s FTC blocked, then we’ll know he never intended to do anything about grocery prices.

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        Currently, yes. Republicans have the trifecta. They could affect grocery prices, but I don’t see Republicans infringing on ‘free enterprise’ like that.

        The point I initially made is that the President alone cannot do anything to fix grocery costs without a systemic meltdown, so voters shouldn’t even be casting their presidential ballot on this topic.

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          It’s laughable that you still think Republican politicians actually believe in anything as high minded as “free enterprise”. That’s just the grift dude. Maybe some Republicans, 50+ years ago, but that ended a long time ago. They believe in whatever vaguely conservative sounding rationalization will make the most money for their sponsors. It’s no coincidence that red states being home way more federal spending than blue states. Farm subsidies yo! You think that’s Democrats? Trump massively increased subsidies the last time his idiotic trade wars almost wiped out farmers.

          But, taking your naivete at face value, if Republicans don’t believe in distorting markets, then why the fuck did Trump promise to bring prices down? Why did he blame prices on Biden?

          Grocery prices have little to nothing to do with free enterprise. Between farm subsidies, fuel subsidies, American military interventions to secure foreign resources, and externalities, the whole thing is a very bloody racket.

          If you’re not sure if a Republican is being sincere or running a grift, they’re running a grift. If you’re sure they are sincere, you are wrong. Their job is to grift.

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            Added scare quotes to clarify sarcasm. Yes, the valve only goes one way with Republicans. They won’t regulate private enterprise in a way that adversely impacts domestic businesses.

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      Apart from the fact that he literally said he would, sure. Completely ignore all the claims made, and there’s no expectation that they would bring down grocery prices.

      Of course that’s only if you ignore the things they said, with their mouths, while being recorded.

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      POTUS is responsible for many important things. The price of a bottle of Coke is not one of them.

      I kept asking all the ding-a-lings that were going on about the price of eggs and blaming Biden what exact mechanism Biden used to cause inflation, etc…

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        Please educate me. Explain how the President can quickly fix grocery prices without an Executive Order? I haven’t seen anything else that can be done solely by the President.

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          Man, you really don’t get it do you?

          1. I never insinuated that a President could affect grocery prices, I said Democrats should be savvy enough to realize they should hold his promises against him, which clearly you are not.

          2. Americans that on average read at a sixth grade level don’t give a flying fuck if the President can magically fix grocery prices or not, it’s what they want to believe and what they tell themselves so they can sleep through the hunger at night.

          I honestly don’t get how bad Democrats are at actually talking to people and connecting to regular people. You just hammer away that the guy in charge of the party in charge promised to fix your prices, you point out repeatedly that prices went up under their watch, regardless if it was their fault or not, and you outline how you will fix it, lie or not, in some folksy twang and not act like a giant pretentious douche talking down to the American public. Hell Democrats don’t even have to lie if they would actually listen to what progressives have been trying to tell you Democrats, “It’s the economy and the billionaire stupid”.

          I’d be watching those egg prices and blame Republicans for the rise in egg prices as soon as he takes his oath but you know Democrats won’t be doing that, they’re not smart enough and savvy enough to do it.

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            They lost on purpose. Legit, only way i can make sense of it. Not only should there have been a primary, when they stumbled on the (as in the. Period. No other option) working strategy they stopped it. If their fuckwit institutionalist ideology doesn’t win they’d rather there be no one left to see their failure.