I mean, sure, but if you block/mute somebody and don’t see, hear, or feel them anymore (which is what the block on lemmy seems to do), when what’s the point of additionally signaling to other users “hey, I blocked you”? It seems like a great way to challenge them to create a new account and immediately antagonize you for blocking them to create the cycle again. And on the fediverse it’s even easier since they can just pick an instance that doesn’t know them.
Context: Lemmy still allow people to comment on your posts or comments after you blocked them:
Yes, they can comment, but the person blocking them doesn’t see it. The blocked person won’t know they are blocked, and the blocker won’t know the blocked person commented. I don’t see how that is bad. In the end, for the blocker, the effect is the same, is it not?
I don’t think so either, but it is a side-effect if blocking were implemented like on twitter, were it not? Harassers would be aware they are blocked and find new ways to harass. Silent blocking (or the post calls it muting) is there better option, in that case, isn’t it?
I don’t claim expertise on how harassers act or what works for those who have been harassed, but we should be careful to not let the perfect be the enemy of thr good. I think the point is that having options, both muting and blocking, could provide the harassed with some tools. The suggestion isn’t to get rid of muting but to add blocking in the way blue sky implements blocking.
With said, if I were a Lemmy developer, knew little about harassment, but still cared, I do the following: reach out to the community and get some input from harassed individuals, talk to communities of those who have been harassed, talk to developers of other platforms and see how they handled the problem, and finally, talk to an expert. When implementing the tool, I’d communicate the tools to users and take feedback.
I’m not against adding tools. I’m against the notion that lemmy devs, who give up their free time work on lemmy, are somehow lazy and deserve being mocked for not getting around to implementing and maintaining a block function. These aren’t people who make 100-200k working the project, have a large team of developers, and loads of time to engage with everybody who has an opinion about lemmy.
Maybe I’m wrong and the lemmy devs had a definitive answer on blocking, I dunno, but looking at other responses, nothing of the sort has been proven. They might have some (OK many) views I do not agree with, but the “oh look, this VC funded startup with a hoard of full-time developers developed a product with more features than 2 guys working on a fun-time project after work! how can the 2 guys be so XYZ!?!?!” is a ridiculous angle to take. No saying you took it, but that’s the meme by OP and most of the responses here.
I mean, sure, but if you block/mute somebody and don’t see, hear, or feel them anymore (which is what the block on lemmy seems to do), when what’s the point of additionally signaling to other users “hey, I blocked you”? It seems like a great way to challenge them to create a new account and immediately antagonize you for blocking them to create the cycle again. And on the fediverse it’s even easier since they can just pick an instance that doesn’t know them.
from the post up above, no, and that’s the issue:
Yes, they can comment, but the person blocking them doesn’t see it. The blocked person won’t know they are blocked, and the blocker won’t know the blocked person commented. I don’t see how that is bad. In the end, for the blocker, the effect is the same, is it not?
I don’t think the point is to signal to others. It’s to prevent the further mental deterioration from a traumatic event.
I like Lemmy and the anonymity, but it seems to allow harassers to thrive then.
I don’t think so either, but it is a side-effect if blocking were implemented like on twitter, were it not? Harassers would be aware they are blocked and find new ways to harass. Silent blocking (or the post calls it muting) is there better option, in that case, isn’t it?
I don’t claim expertise on how harassers act or what works for those who have been harassed, but we should be careful to not let the perfect be the enemy of thr good. I think the point is that having options, both muting and blocking, could provide the harassed with some tools. The suggestion isn’t to get rid of muting but to add blocking in the way blue sky implements blocking.
With said, if I were a Lemmy developer, knew little about harassment, but still cared, I do the following: reach out to the community and get some input from harassed individuals, talk to communities of those who have been harassed, talk to developers of other platforms and see how they handled the problem, and finally, talk to an expert. When implementing the tool, I’d communicate the tools to users and take feedback.
I’m not against adding tools. I’m against the notion that lemmy devs, who give up their free time work on lemmy, are somehow lazy and deserve being mocked for not getting around to implementing and maintaining a block function. These aren’t people who make 100-200k working the project, have a large team of developers, and loads of time to engage with everybody who has an opinion about lemmy.
Maybe I’m wrong and the lemmy devs had a definitive answer on blocking, I dunno, but looking at other responses, nothing of the sort has been proven. They might have some (OK many) views I do not agree with, but the “oh look, this VC funded startup with a hoard of full-time developers developed a product with more features than 2 guys working on a fun-time project after work! how can the 2 guys be so XYZ!?!?!” is a ridiculous angle to take. No saying you took it, but that’s the meme by OP and most of the responses here.