As an aside, if light stopped too, wouldn’t that mean that the world would be plunged into darkness?
Photons of light reflect off of objects, and into our eyes before being converted into electrical signals by the brain and translated into visuals that we see. But to do this, photons and electrical signals need to be able to move through time and space. So if time is stopped, and light is stopped with it, none of that other stuff happens, and we all would effectively be blind. No?
Photons would still exist, they’d just be frozen in a cloud. You could “see” things by moving towards photon sources, but you’d leave a black fog behind you, and would never be able to see the samething twice.
The scenario doesn’t really make sense as the electro-chemical activity in your brain would be stopped as well, so you couldn’t be conscious.
But if we suspend disbelief, you could say that you’re stuck with the image that got to your retina when time stopped. Which means that you couldn’t see the protagonist moving!
Also, realistically, he couldn’t even move as he’d be against a barrier of unmovable air.
I think a more reasonable interpretation is for time o have been slowed to an extreme extent: a factor of 10^6 would mean the 6 months of protagonist time would’ve been experienced as 15 seconds of bystander time, and light would be slowed down to about 1000 km/h, still substantially faster than a human can move unaided to avoid Cherenkov radiation.
To avoid friction fires, we have an Alcubierre (warp) bubble of fast space out around the protag. Let’s say about 6 inches for reasons, and with a smooth gradient between protag time and slowed time. This is also necessary to prevent shear forces from tearing up everything the protag touches.
This should handle most situations well: the protagonist can manipulate and interact with typical objects with their hands and other body parts without instantly exploding them or shearing them in half. However, humans that the protag directly interacts with will end up experiencing much more clock-time during the interaction, potentially even within the human reaction time of 250ms given a dedicated amount of attention.
Okay but assuming the other laws of the universe remain in play, if light has been slowed down 186 times, then you won’t be walking 3 miles an hour you will be walking 3,000 miles an hour, and anything you do to people will be unbelievably violent.
Like if you walk into the shower room where girls are showering and play with their breasts, after time unfreezes they’re probably all going to die very quickly or at the very least suffer horrendous damage.
If you slap the kid that picked on you in 6th grade, his head may fly off or his spine may snap at his neck but one way or the other he’s most likely going to die.
And even after you revert time to its normal flow, everywhere you have gone is going to suffer multiple shock waves as the air your body has displaced and the vacuums you have left behind in your trail collapse back together.
Doors that you’ve opened will fly off hinges. Windows you have closed will shatter.
But thank God you chose only 1/1000th speed. If you had chosen 1/100,000th, you might have destroyed the entire planet.
hence the Alcubierre bubble! everything you directly interact with is sped up to your time speed so that you’re only ever interacting with normal-paced matter, and then as you leave the area everything gradually slows back down to near-stop
I respect people’s consent in the scenario where it’s something they experience or are affected by it. I’d imagine frozen time is consequence free zone for everyone.
Yes this is fantasy but what you’re effectively stating here is that if you don’t get caught it’s not wrong. The same argument would justify groping a deep sleeper, do you think that’s not wrong?
No, not really. I’m saying that if there’s zero effect for the would-be victim, I can’t see them being wronged. I think time freeze is probably not the right scenario for this though. They’d be physically affected. Copying them in an simulation type thing is more along the lines of what I’d consider harmless.
Unfortunately for me, I feel like if I thought I could get away with something consequences free, I’d probably do it. I’m not proud of that aspect of my morality, but I’d be lying if I denied it.
That said, I remind myself that if I’m too ashamed to do it under the scrutiny of people, then it is 100% not something I’m doing. That goes for simulations as well. Because there is always a chance someone will find out… and frankly, I don’t think I could live with myself.
You’re once again relying on the fact that someone won’t find out in order for you to feel that you’ve gotten away with it. That’s not a moral act, that’s an immoral act that has gone by unnoticed.
Maybe you’re not hurt by me jerking it to you but you’d be hurt by another violation of your identity like me impersonating you to call your mother names and hurt her feelings. Those are both violations of you, and they’re ways of using you as a means to a selfish end.
Philosophical moral frameworks which people tend to follow include the idea that human beings shouldn’t be used as a means to an end.
We can tweak your example to one where the simulation is of someone that doesn’t exist and there’d be even less to call into question, but maybe at that point you feel you wouldn’t get the same thrill… That thrill is a sign that you’re being immoral.
You’re probably young and will hopefully continue to develop mentally and emotionally and will learn empathy, but your views here are problematic.
I do get you’re trying to get at consent is key, but your argument is flawed in that using a simulated copy to insult one’s mom still brings a real person into it
Use a digital copy of me to hurt people, yeah I’d be upset
Use a digital copy of me as a sex toy? I’d be fine with that
What if you spent your frozen time, determining the problems of everyone in the world, and solving them? So, when everybody got unfrozen, it was a utopia.
People may say “you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs”, but would the eggs agree ? With hindsight you might become seen as a hero, but I doubt that would change the immediate hatred people would feel upon release from half a year of bondage within oneself.
thats fine with me, since im not sick in the head, and i respect people’s consent
This is a 4Chan user
Sounds like the type of thing the sickest fuck in the room would say to avoid suspicion
That’s funny because this sounds like the type of thing the sickest fuck in the room would say to avoid suspicion
Recursion: see recursion
Didn’t even think about this. I thought of how crushingly boring and annoying it must have been to have been unable to move at all. For 6 months.
And now I realize it must have been dreadful, at first.
Imagine if your one of the thousands of people who would likely happen to have the sun in their eyes at the instant of freezing.
Good thing is that since time has stopped, you won’t get your eyes burnt since light stopped travelling as well.
As an aside, if light stopped too, wouldn’t that mean that the world would be plunged into darkness?
Photons of light reflect off of objects, and into our eyes before being converted into electrical signals by the brain and translated into visuals that we see. But to do this, photons and electrical signals need to be able to move through time and space. So if time is stopped, and light is stopped with it, none of that other stuff happens, and we all would effectively be blind. No?
Photons would still exist, they’d just be frozen in a cloud. You could “see” things by moving towards photon sources, but you’d leave a black fog behind you, and would never be able to see the samething twice.
Does this mean everything would be dark?
The scenario doesn’t really make sense as the electro-chemical activity in your brain would be stopped as well, so you couldn’t be conscious.
But if we suspend disbelief, you could say that you’re stuck with the image that got to your retina when time stopped. Which means that you couldn’t see the protagonist moving!
Also, realistically, he couldn’t even move as he’d be against a barrier of unmovable air.
I think a more reasonable interpretation is for time o have been slowed to an extreme extent: a factor of 10^6 would mean the 6 months of protagonist time would’ve been experienced as 15 seconds of bystander time, and light would be slowed down to about 1000 km/h, still substantially faster than a human can move unaided to avoid Cherenkov radiation.
To avoid friction fires, we have an Alcubierre (warp) bubble of fast space out around the protag. Let’s say about 6 inches for reasons, and with a smooth gradient between protag time and slowed time. This is also necessary to prevent shear forces from tearing up everything the protag touches.
This should handle most situations well: the protagonist can manipulate and interact with typical objects with their hands and other body parts without instantly exploding them or shearing them in half. However, humans that the protag directly interacts with will end up experiencing much more clock-time during the interaction, potentially even within the human reaction time of 250ms given a dedicated amount of attention.
Okay but assuming the other laws of the universe remain in play, if light has been slowed down 186 times, then you won’t be walking 3 miles an hour you will be walking 3,000 miles an hour, and anything you do to people will be unbelievably violent.
Like if you walk into the shower room where girls are showering and play with their breasts, after time unfreezes they’re probably all going to die very quickly or at the very least suffer horrendous damage.
If you slap the kid that picked on you in 6th grade, his head may fly off or his spine may snap at his neck but one way or the other he’s most likely going to die.
And even after you revert time to its normal flow, everywhere you have gone is going to suffer multiple shock waves as the air your body has displaced and the vacuums you have left behind in your trail collapse back together.
Doors that you’ve opened will fly off hinges. Windows you have closed will shatter.
But thank God you chose only 1/1000th speed. If you had chosen 1/100,000th, you might have destroyed the entire planet.
hence the Alcubierre bubble! everything you directly interact with is sped up to your time speed so that you’re only ever interacting with normal-paced matter, and then as you leave the area everything gradually slows back down to near-stop
Or getting frozen mid-orgasm.
Depending on the exact moment you might assume you died and the ecstasy you were feeling was an afterlife.
Getting post orgasmic torture from a dominatrix tho…
I respect people’s consent in the scenario where it’s something they experience or are affected by it. I’d imagine frozen time is consequence free zone for everyone.
Yes this is fantasy but what you’re effectively stating here is that if you don’t get caught it’s not wrong. The same argument would justify groping a deep sleeper, do you think that’s not wrong?
No, not really. I’m saying that if there’s zero effect for the would-be victim, I can’t see them being wronged. I think time freeze is probably not the right scenario for this though. They’d be physically affected. Copying them in an simulation type thing is more along the lines of what I’d consider harmless.
Unfortunately for me, I feel like if I thought I could get away with something consequences free, I’d probably do it. I’m not proud of that aspect of my morality, but I’d be lying if I denied it.
That said, I remind myself that if I’m too ashamed to do it under the scrutiny of people, then it is 100% not something I’m doing. That goes for simulations as well. Because there is always a chance someone will find out… and frankly, I don’t think I could live with myself.
Right or wrong, that’s my take on it.
that’s another interesting but debatable position. AI generated deepfakes of teens fall into that category.
So debate it.
An it harm none, do what ye will. Every day bullshit harms me dramatically more than any dude privately jerking it to me.
You’re once again relying on the fact that someone won’t find out in order for you to feel that you’ve gotten away with it. That’s not a moral act, that’s an immoral act that has gone by unnoticed.
Maybe you’re not hurt by me jerking it to you but you’d be hurt by another violation of your identity like me impersonating you to call your mother names and hurt her feelings. Those are both violations of you, and they’re ways of using you as a means to a selfish end.
Philosophical moral frameworks which people tend to follow include the idea that human beings shouldn’t be used as a means to an end.
We can tweak your example to one where the simulation is of someone that doesn’t exist and there’d be even less to call into question, but maybe at that point you feel you wouldn’t get the same thrill… That thrill is a sign that you’re being immoral.
You’re probably young and will hopefully continue to develop mentally and emotionally and will learn empathy, but your views here are problematic.
I do get you’re trying to get at consent is key, but your argument is flawed in that using a simulated copy to insult one’s mom still brings a real person into it
Use a digital copy of me to hurt people, yeah I’d be upset
Use a digital copy of me as a sex toy? I’d be fine with that
Assume some people were around you when you froze time. They saw you did something and then were the only one who could move.
Then they went through the absolute nightmare of being paralyzed and conscious for six months. And they know you’ve caused it.
I highly doubt the whole world concented to this.
Whatever else you did in frozen time barely changes a thing.
What if you spent your frozen time, determining the problems of everyone in the world, and solving them? So, when everybody got unfrozen, it was a utopia.
People may say “you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs”, but would the eggs agree ? With hindsight you might become seen as a hero, but I doubt that would change the immediate hatred people would feel upon release from half a year of bondage within oneself.
Exactly. If someone mowed my lawn for me, that’s cool. If they tied me to a chair so tight I couldn’t move until they were done, not so cool.
not me. i would have done some nasty shit.
genuinely asking: what sort of things do you mean, and why ?
i would pee in people’s drawers because i don’t think that happens enough.
Like, in their furniture, or would you be pissing other people’s pants?
a little bit of both. but primarily in their nightstand drawers.
good luck getting anymore in mine!
“Honey! There’s pee in my pee drawer, and it isn’t MINE!”