Also outs your report publicly, nice !
And Lemmy has an issue with it’s backend implementation which sometimes causes multiple copies of a comment being posted without the posters knowledge.
It then gets flagged as spam and the poster banned. Ask me how I know.
how do you know?
I searched for the issue when it happened to me and saw a bug report for it with the Lemmy devs confirming.
As someone who implement a Lemmy client it might be a client side problem. If the server is struggling you will time out when sending the comment. If the client side has any sort of retry logic it will send the comment again. This can cause the comment to be posted multiple times. There might be a bug on the server as well but I know for sure it can be caused by the client.
It’s what you are describing, and it’s not a client problem. It’s impossible for a client to solve. You can’t tell whether a timed out request succeeded or not.
Idempotent network requests are a standard feature of many APIs - sending the same request multiple times should result in only one action being performed, but Lemmy doesn’t support them yet.
So yes, it’s “caused” by retries, but the bug is that the backend doesn’t properly support retries. Clients don’t do anything wrong.
They should do what Reddit does and by default make a 5 second rate limit of sending posts and comments, the first one gets accepted, the next ones get rejected within the 5 second ratelimit.
Another popular solution I see is to have the client generate a UUID when posting. Then the server can very easily tell if a request is a duplicate.
I’ve seen this concept called idempotency tokens. I thought it was common but a quick search didn’t find any articles on it so maybe the name is not that common.
Nonce, maybe?
Nonce is the opposite. It’s never supposed to be used more than once, right?
how do you know?
how do you know?
how do you know?
Well shit. At the same time the ban hammer seems a bit easy both ways :') Like you can at least look at the poster’s history…
CLM - sounds like @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world needs to understand the tools a bit more given how active they are.
FlyingSquid needs to be booted from everything they mod.
FlyingSquid is a pathetic human being, who seems to have little else in their life than banning anyone they disagree with. So, just a reddit mod. Question is, why would Lemmy have a chance to grow if it insists on having the same shitty structure as reddit, only with a fraction of a fraction of content that’s available on reddit.
Most of Lemmy.World is ran by Liberal Zionists who ban anyone that clashes with their world view.
It’s not a FlyingSquid problem, all of their major communities suffer from these power tripping bastards.
Turns out I’ve blocked this user already. Are they a mod?
Turns out me too, seems like they’re just a shit person.
Apparently so? They’re terminally online so it’s disappointing they don’t understand Lemmy better. Had it been almost any other user I wouldn’t have recognized the name at all.
They’re terminally online
It’s funny you say that. I have them tagged exactly as that after some comment thread they were in. Since I tagged them, it’s unbelievable how often posts and comments from them show up in my feed
PTB. Squid is a prolific poster, but seems to take things personally very quickly.
If you’re going to abuse your powers, you should do so by abstract principles, like whether or not a commenter likes pineapple on their pizza, not how they react towards you!
PTB, publicly outing reports and trying to intimidate them is not cool, if you want to discuss someone’s reports with them, do it in their DMs.
Also here’s a tip for any admin or mod wishing to discuss the report with someone. Quote the report you’re addressing. I can’t see my own reports, so if an admin or mod wanted to discuss the last reports I made, it’s possible I would have to think really hard to remember what he was talking about, or just flat out not remember. Because I do make a lot of reports, unfortunately, as there is a lot of problematic content and users out there.
Edit: I did make an issue in the Lemmy GitHub requesting this feature, so if you agree that this could be useful I suggest you go express the desire for such a feature over there. I included being able to edit and delete reports, but if that’s too much at least the ability to read my own reports I’ve sent.
Example of a DM that a Mod or admin could use to address reports with someone
Text from report
(can include multiple reports here with gaps between them as needed)
[content of their message addressing the report to the user]
Silence! You dare question a mod of my abilities? Banned!
You jest, but many mods do actually have this mindset. It’s unreal
Removed, civility.
Removed, rule 7
“What the hell, why was my comment removed?”
*Looks up rule 7*
“Be nice”
PTB, (or maybe just “clueless bastard”?): Ye publicly outing your report because they don’t understand lemmy is pretty bad.
Squid can be a little quirky like that sometimes.
Sometimes? They are the only person I have ever blocked in all of my years on both reddit or lemmy. Such an odd combination of self importance, rage, entitlement and ego.
I’d almost forgotten about them until they showed up in a screenshot for being exactly how I remember.
quirky
*holds up ban spork*
Is that person a mod? I blocked them and my lemmy experience has been way better.
Same. Literally the only person I’ve blocked. I also made sure to leave every community they mod. Certainly a vibe I could do without.
This is exactly what I did when I saw them abuse their powers.
The only way to vote on bad mods is not to use their communities where they have power
Why is it whenever I notice a mod, or see anyone complain about a mod, it’s always the exact same mod?
Are all Lemmy mods chill except this singular prickly tranch?
In my experience, mods in general have gotten extremely bad. Lemmy, reddit, basically all social media is being moderated without the least amount of professionality, standard or competency.
That’s because professionality, standard and competency take time to foster and cost a lot to maintain.
And usually get paid nothing.
Are we supposed to be elite professionals on our salaries of $0.00?
Yes. If you can’t be professionell and have standards, don’t do it.
Then YOU should do it! They provide a free service that you use, yeah some mods suck ass, or most whatever, but they have to ACTUALLY monitor some times a bunch of instances. Idk if its still an issue but imagine all the child porn and other SUPER hateful shit that has to be deleted with haste.
I dont mind squid, yeah he kinda seems like a dick some times, but we benefit from them being constantly online. So yeah they might have been a dick, whats the next move? Try to remove them where some other dickwad will just take their place, could be better but for mods its always going to be worse when a new mod gets all power tripping on people.
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
Someone doesn’t remember the times of apeshit insane IRC and forum mods
The good thing is that on the fediverse, you can improve this situation. Either go to an instance that keeps a watchful eye on power tripping mods and ensure mods are fair, or start your own instance to become that.
you’ll still get filtered by those mods on other instances and the amount of visibility your comment has will go down. lemmy has already gotten fragmentation problems like this for similar reasons IMO
But if those mods are bad and your mods are good, then people will over time go to your instance instead. You can’t control visibility of your stuff on another instance. It wouldn’t be decentralized if you could. Other instances and users can always choose to block you or whatever.
What you call “fragmentation” is really just decentralization and it’s the whole point of the fediverse.
people will over time go to your instance instead
what instance? never heard of it.
The instance that I mentioned in my first comment, the one with a watchful eye on moderators. It is not a concrete instance, I am talking about an example.
there’s no feedback mechanism that will result in the promotion of instances with better moderation
the federation system is inherently unstable - there’s a positive feedback loop where the instance with the most users attracts the most new users. new users have no to way to gauge the quality of moderation of an instance, and neither do disgruntled current users. additionally, members of smaller instances are less visible, which is an incentive to join a larger instance.
“what instance?” is a rhetorical question, and the only possible answer is “never heard of it.” because there is no means by which a user could have become aware of other instances, regardless of the quality of those other instance’s moderation
Threads like this usually get quite viral
Wasnt there already an instance that died because of lack of moderation?
I couldnt find the instance name, but i could find posts from people complaining about the instance and it being defederated from lemmy.world
Honestly I think they’re worse on Lemmy then they were on Reddit
They allow dis- & misinformation on a news community and threaten you when you report even the most obvious Tankie propaganda, which is why I blocked it. Not the only dumb take I’ve seen from them.
I’ve been threatened/banned for calling out propaganda too
You should reach out to lemmy.world’s admins about the situation, explain the problem to them and they might be able to help with it. I’d recommend doing the same thing any time an issue comes up around this particular mod. Eventually they’ll get enough complaints and he’ll be given the boot from those communities by the administration.
The called out mod specifically is the worst culprit. I guarantee if their mod privileges were revoked 85% of the bad rep .world gets would vanish.
.world has a bad rep?
Yeah, but I’m not convinced it’s anyone in particular to blame. I think it’s mostly because it’s the biggest instance. That’s just my take. I don’t necessarily think the folks you’re responding to would agree.
I think a lot of instances have a bad rep with users of at least one instance just because so many instances are ideologically similar.
That’s what I believed it to be. Still better than .ml which is where I was before.
it’s where most people flocked to during Da Great Reddit Exodus, so there’s a lot of latent redditor behavior there. Anecdotally, my Lemmy experience has gotten significantly better after I started blocking every .world channel on sight.
All Mods Are Bastards
I’m so glad I finally made an account so I can block that particular reddit-type user. Might have to bounce instances based on how this goes.
What was their response?
FlyingSquid flaunts his mod powers and bans users which don’t submit to his Zionist world views by making shit up.
Lemmy.World is the most Reddit of Lemmies.
Lemmy.World is the most Reddit of Lemmies.
Well, among the ones that anyone federates with. exploding-heads is still way more reddit than world is.
*Was, they shut down a while back and largely moved to Nostr, but another instance, hilariouschaos, took their place, they’re not as aggressive as EH was but they still have many of the same users and ideals as EH did back then.
They shut down? Good.
Yeah, though I’m not sure if hilariouschaos is much better. They have limited whitelist-only federation so they are at least self-limiting in their reach, and many servers have recognized them as an EH clone so have defederated, this one (dbzer0) being one of them.
