• Sundial@lemm.ee
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    25 days ago

    Lobbying is basicly as it’s been for years and years by foreign countries.

    That is false. It’s been trending upwards for some time and has never been so high.

    The majority of Americans don’t know what Universal health care is. You could ask why it was defeated, but instead you jump right to congress not listening to their constituents.

    The reason’s are irrelevant. Fact is, majority wanted it and continue to not get it due to corporate lobbying. This is a common and growing trend within American politics. Again, because of lobbying.

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      25 days ago

      It’s not false. Cost of money.

      Well, thats sort of the reason Univeral health care failed, yes. The majority of people were polled on it. If I remember right it was inconclusive. Lobbying didn’t have much to do with it. It was one Senator.

      So here’s what happened…the Senate during the Health Care debate had very tight voting. During the creation of ACA, Senator Sanders introduced ‘Meicare for All’ which would give you universal health care. He got support to proceed. Then an independent Senator, Joe Libberman from New Hampshire without whose vote the bill could not proceed to the floor, killed it. Why? Because New Hampshire is home to a lot of insurance companies that would lose money. Pretty sure they would lay off a lot of people too. So, you see he did listen to his constitutes.

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        Joe Lieberman, an independent who caucused with democrats from Connecticut, listened to the businesses in Connecticut, not his constituents. They didn’t re-elect him, but that’s cold comfort.

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            Of course we were affected. The last year I lived in Connecticut, I paid $13k for healthcare, as a mostly healthy person in my 20s.

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              You would have paid the same with Univeral Healthcare, but if you worked f9r a Connecticut insurance com0any you’d be out of work.

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                Other countries with universal healthcare don’t pay nearly as much as Americans do and not every industry needs to be saved. Health insurance companies are not even the biggest insurance employer in Connecticut, the vast majority of people in Connecticut had a net loss in not getting single payer through.

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                  A lot of other countries own their entire health care structure. Hospitals, the whole lot. That isn’t part of Universal health care and is the big component to lower costs overall.

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                    Some, but a lot don’t. Even if that was the only way to reduce healthcare costs, it would be a great application for eminent domain. Luckily, everyone else has a better solution than ours.

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        25 days ago

        As of August, AIPAC has already spent over $100 million on lobbying breaking previous records. And the election isnt even over. They spent a significant amount of money to replace 2 Democratic congress members who were vocally pro Palestine to be replaced with pro Israel advocates. Biden has received more money than any other US senator from pro Israeli advocates. And now he is ignoring the voice of the majority in favor of these lobbyists. If you’re going to sit there and tell me this is business as usual and this isn’t a problem, then you’re going to have to actually explain your reasoning here.

        Then an independent Senator, Joe Libberman from New Hampshire without whose vote the bill could not proceed to the floor, killed it.

        So in essence، a body of elected representatives ignored the voice of the majority of their constituents in favor of corporate interests. Do you not see how you just proved my original point?