The claim that Isrsel is currently performing a genocide on the Palestinians is not debatable. They have cut off the entirety of Northern Gaza and started executing everyone they see on site. They besieged the only remaining hospital there several times and imprisoned all but a couple of the staff. They are deliberately trying to starve the population and even went so far as banning the UNRWA, which is the only agency capable of keeping the Palestinians alive. And do you think that once they finish there they’ll stop? They will continue with the rest of Gaza once they are done. They’ve even started attacking and demolishing homes in the West Bank as well. And they’re trying to invade Lebanon as well like they have tried to in the past.

Saying things will get worse under Trump is pointless. The genocide is underway, and it’s been blessed by the Biden administration as well as the Democratic party. Harris has made it clear she doesn’t plan on deviating from this course. So I stand by previous statement, Harris would not have saved them. Either one as president, the Palestinians die.

We are fortunate enough where the children of immigrants in western countries are more associated with the western country and not the country of their parents. For the most part at least, racism still exists unfortunately.

My comment was more for Saladin being born in present day Iraq to Armenian parents. There’s no doubt in my mind that him being born and raised in that area heavily influenced him and his worldview. I’m not too familiar with the history of the other figures so I can’t aay if my point stands for them as well.

People aren’t only fed up with Trudea, but the overall leadership of the Liberal party. They need a new face and name that people don’t know or associate with the Liberals if they want people to vote for them.

Is one a product of their ancestry or the culture they were raised in?

I’m not a kid and I’m not wrong in saying the genocide is currently underway with full support of the Biden administration and the overall Democratic party.

Boy were they wrong about Trump not winning.

Israel’s extermination campaign is already underway with full support from the Democrats. Harris wouldn’t have saved the Palestinians.

If the plot demands it, then yes he can.

Israel will not get destroyed if Biden tried to enforce a ceasefire. At the end of the day America still has a gun to everyone’s head daring anyone to try anything they don’t want them to do. There’s a reason why America is called the “World Police”. The danger to Israel is if America pulls its support from Israel entirely, not stopping a few arms shipments. Israel would still have the arms to fight, they would just not be able to do the mass killings they currently do. The US has covered 70% of the cost of the Israel’s current war, just to give you an idea of how much help Israel gets in this conflict. At the end of the day, both Trump and Biden will allow Netanyahu do whatever he wants for the sake of political convenience and foreign lobbying. This is why I say there is no difference between the two, and that it’s not just a meme. I know a lot of people will say that Trump will help expedite the process or let it become a regional war. But at the end of the day, a genocide is still a genocide, regardless of the pace. Israel is not being slowed down or stopped in the slightest currently. And the escalations leading up to a regional war have already started. So when people say Trump will be worse a lot of the Arab-Americans just looked at what’s happening and said “How?”.

The ceasefire was overwhelmingly popular with Democrats. The ones who didn’t want one were traditionally Republicans (for the most part) and that’s who Harris tried to court. The Republican voters. The end result she got next to no actual Republican votes and disenfranchised a lot of progressives through this decision, and a few others. There have been studies to show that Harris would have actually gained support if she took a firmer stance and said she would enforce a ceasefire.. Was it the singular issue that cost her the election? Probably not. But it definitely hurt her in key swing states.

So now we’ve gone from one phone call, to cutting off aid and letting Israel get destroyed.

The cutting off aid statement was meant to show how easily Biden could have threatened them to make them stop. I even gave the Ronald Reagan example as a historical one. It can happen with a single phone call. It just doesn’t.

He’d probably get impeached, with the full support of all those AIPAC Democrats in congress, and then they’d get their aid from his replacement.

2/3rds of Americans support a ceasefire along with 80% of Democrats. It was not an unpopular opinion to say we should make a ceasefire happen. Even before becoming president Biden was staunchly pro-Israel for all, or majority, of his political career. Like I said in my previous comment, he’s gotten a lot of money from groups like AIPAC. I don’t think the hypothetical threat of impeachment is what was stopping him.

I think he had the phone call, said Rafah was a red line, Netanyahu went in anyway, and that’s the choice he faced.

Thereby letting Netanyahu do whatever he wants. So he’s not really holding them back now is he? Where’s the difference between him and Trump then? The fact that Trump wouldn’t bother calling Netanyahu asking him to please not kill civilians? This distinction matters very little to the innocent lives Israel has claimed.

Besides that, Kamala is at least an unknown quantity in it. There’s a middleeasteye article comparing the two somewhere in my history. We don’t know she won’t continue Biden’s policies, but she also wasn’t the one in charge at the time, and we don’t know that she will continue them. With Trump, we know we’re getting a monster.

Harris has made the some generic statements and empty platitudes that Biden has made and nothing more. Tim Walz himself went on the VP debate and the only real comment on the topic was him saying he supported Israel’s right to expand their borders. Couple these along with her doing incredibly stupid things like campaigning with people like Liz Cheney, silencing Democrat-Arabs trying to speak up, refusing to even meet with them other than a few private meetings with some Arab leaders that went nowhere. And it’s not a stretch to think she would have been the same. It’s pretty clear where she stood on the topic. And this inaction definitely cost her swing states like Michigan and maybe even other states like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

I’m saying it’s already getting worse. The escalations have already been happening.

What peace talks? The ones where Netanyahu actively sabotaged them and then gleefully kills more Palestinian kids? None of that is happening and the current rate is not a slow one. It was a slow one before Oct 7th.

A 30-year-old Maccabi Tel Aviv fan describes the moments of horror: “I finished a four-month reserve in Gaza, and what I experienced here is no less scary. There is a war out here. They ran over me and pulled a knife on me. I am slightly injured, but I am not ready to receive treatment here, only in Israel. We were ambushed. I’m in the market. I saw with my own eyes children who were caught in explosions. They are everywhere. No police, complete chaos. Everything was pre-planned. The police here abandoned us. Every fourth person walking the street is a Muslim who has come to attack Jews. Me and several hundred other fans are surrounded in the hotel, the police don’t allow us to leave. They just want to fly home.”

Wonder what he did in those 4 months. I bet you it was a lot worse than what he got here.

I love libraries. I used to spend a lot of time in them when I was a kid. I still have my 16 digit library card number from when I was a kid memorized.

Well that was an interesting read, thank yoy for sharing. Maybe this opinion is more widespread than I thought.

The rate of a genocide matters very little. At the end of the day, a genocide is a genocide.

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If he could have ended it with one phone call, just cancelled the whole operation, he would have. Are you trying to tell me that he just loves dead Palestinians and war in the Middle East so much that he wanted the whole thing to happen even though it was absolute kryptonite to his own and his party’s domestic political prospects, in addition to being a historic crime against humanity, just because?

The DoJ is currently sitting on 500 documented cases of war crimes by Israel while using American weapons. They have a legal standing to halt arms shipments on a whim. If there’s even a whiff that America would stop arming Israel they would stop. Israel would not be able to exist let alone fight this war without American support. Also, keep in mind that even Ronald Reagan was able to talk down Israel with a single phone call when they tried the same thing in the 80s.

I don’t think Biden likes to see dead Palestinian children, but I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that he has received more money from pro Israel lobbyists than any other Senator in history. No other president in history has emboldened Israel the way Biden has.

Absolutely false. Wait and see, and observe the difference. Not that it wasn’t already a stain on humanity, but it’s now going to get substantially worse.

The domino’s have been falling consistently for the past 13 months. The escalations we are going to see over the next few months would have happened regardless if Trump won or lost. It’s abundantly clear there’s little to no red lines when it comes to Israel’s actions, regardless if it’s Democrats or Republicans in charge.

I’d also like to point out that Biden campaigned on certain promises for Arabs concerning Palestine that he never fulfilled. Biden has been ignoring the Arab demographic for longer than 13 months.

You’re not being hostile IMO so don’t worry about appearing that way. If I didn’t want to to discuss politics I wouldn’t be in this community. I know this

I’m not saying Biden wanted it to happen. I’m saying he let it happen, just as Trump would. When all is said and done a genocide is a genocide, the pace of it matters little. And the conflict is also already boiling over to the rest of the middle east. All while a Democrat is President. Harris would have been better than Trump on virtually every other topic, but for this one there is little to no difference. Both vocalize staunch and unwavering support of Israel. Just one side vocalizes it a bit more politely.

Harris lost all the swing states last I checked. It wasn’t the sole issue that cost her the White House but it was definitely the issue that cost her Michigan, and maybe Pennsylvania.

Democrats switched from Biden to Harris last minute because they realized Biden wasn’t doing so well on the popularity front. This should have been a major clue to say that Harris should have steered in her own direction. But she didn’t and it cost her the election.