• Dessalines@lemmy.ml
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    6 hours ago

    Alternative voting systems haven’t proven to be even the slightest obstacle to capitalist rule. Japan and Australia have alternative voting systems, and they’re still on the same far right path, still evict indigenous peoples, and still act as US military bases.

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      It’s not supposed to counter capitalism or any one political ideology. It’s supposed to create more proportional representation. If everyone in a city is a conservative, then ranked voting will still skew conservative.

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        Its impossible to have a government that represents the people, if capital stands above the political system.

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          Actually, it’s very possible. Capital, despite being a tool of oppression, is also a tool that pays for roads, schools, hospitals, and everything else that the government funds. Capitalism is definitely not the best system, but it’s the one that’s currently available, and despite the common narrative here on lemmy, there are people that work at the Federal level that aren’t being actively lobbied that do indeed pass good legislation. The way to improve the system is by implementing ranked voting, which increases the equity of representation in DC. Voters in Wyoming shouldn’t have the same say in politics as voters in New York or other more densely populated congressional districts.

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            The way to improve the system is by implementing ranked voting

            Then do it. Try to test your ideas against reality. You’ll find that RCV

            1. Will only be allowed in small amounts as a show of feasibility, without affecting major change

            2. Will be gutted if it ever does get implemented and stands chance of changing anything.

            The path forward is revolution, not a giant prayer for RCV to be implemented magically.

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          You fix that by seizing the means of production, generally with unions.

          You protect union rights by both voting for candidates that will protect unions, and also fighting to unionize your own workplace.

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      5 hours ago

      But then you would be more likely to have counties voting for other parties. The electoral college would actually make more sense with ranked voting.

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        The electoral college doesn’t need to exist period. It’s just bureaucratic nonsense. People vote, those votes are counted, then whomever got the most votes in that district is the winner. It doesn’t need to go to another un-elected party who doesn’t have to vote for the party of the person who actually won the district.

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      That’s because Australia is using the seat system, which is like a supercharged electoral college. Australia needs proportional representation.