Hopefully something will fix it. Maybe it’ll be communism. It’s just a little ridiculous to believe that humans are hardwired to be capitalists. Especially since we’ve had two major economic systems prior to capitalism.
I’d be open to a bottom-up communist-like path of change. I’ve given it some thought but haven’t come up with anything viable that doesn’t easily succumb to corruption.
That interesting. How does one fund a campaign? How far vertical does a communist state go. How much power do those positions have? Seems like we just end up where we are now.
“how dare u criticize slavery when u eat the food the master gives u sleep in the barracks the master owns and works the masters fields u have no legs to stand on”
It’s a good meme, but in all seriousness, why do you think that without capitalism everyone will stop eating meat, driving cars, taking vacations, and having children?
Would we all be hemp-wearing, bicycle-riding vegans if not for capitalism? Unless people are willing to dramatically reduce their quality of life, we are fucked.
Yes to all but the last 2. Reducing meat consumption for a communist society is as simple as allocating less resources to meat production or stopping it altogether. Reducing car use is also simple if you have efficient city designs. For example, the USSR made plenty use of micro-districts (today they would be called “15 minute cities”), which allowed the population to go around using public transport. And the Chinese HSR system allows chinese citizens to travel around the country very efficiently and have vacations and such.
reality is that the disproportionate consumption of the rich far outweighs the consumption of the working people but even putting aside the easy gains of no more private jets and the like, there are things we do and buy that dont even make us happy and are terrible for the planet and often for our bodies like cars. The real question is why people would buy tons of useless garbage they dont want nor need and ultimately dont even use in a society were people arent flooded with propaganda to buy said shit all the time and in a society were ur ability to consume isnt the only measure of a persons worth. And that not even saying anything about repeatability and planned obsolescence.
Meat, cars, houses, fresh water, cell phones. That is the top of that list of ecological depredation. Billionaires for all their evil aren’t the ones eating over 50 billion animals per year. Yeah you read that right. It’s a large number.
reality is that the disproportionate consumption of the rich far outweighs the consumption of the working people
Unless by “rich” you mean “middle class Americans” you’re mathematically wrong by many orders of magnitude.
Now I’m down to kill the billionaires, very eager, but it won’t solve our ecological woes. Not even close.
Yeah, I just can’t stop pooping out capitalism. It’s literally a natural thing that I do. /S
Communism will fix it, right? Right?
Hopefully something will fix it. Maybe it’ll be communism. It’s just a little ridiculous to believe that humans are hardwired to be capitalists. Especially since we’ve had two major economic systems prior to capitalism.
I’d be open to a bottom-up communist-like path of change. I’ve given it some thought but haven’t come up with anything viable that doesn’t easily succumb to corruption.
What do you mean “bottom-up Communist-like path to change?” What’s wrong with a democratic worker state?
Like a democracy?
What Communist argues against Democracy?
That interesting. How does one fund a campaign? How far vertical does a communist state go. How much power do those positions have? Seems like we just end up where we are now.
Within Capitalism, Socialism, or Communism?
As far as it needs to for proper administration as democratically decided.
As much as it needs as democratically decided.
In what manner?
They typed into their smartphone.
“how dare u criticize slavery when u eat the food the master gives u sleep in the barracks the master owns and works the masters fields u have no legs to stand on”
It’s a good meme, but in all seriousness, why do you think that without capitalism everyone will stop eating meat, driving cars, taking vacations, and having children?
Would we all be hemp-wearing, bicycle-riding vegans if not for capitalism? Unless people are willing to dramatically reduce their quality of life, we are fucked.
Yes to all but the last 2. Reducing meat consumption for a communist society is as simple as allocating less resources to meat production or stopping it altogether. Reducing car use is also simple if you have efficient city designs. For example, the USSR made plenty use of micro-districts (today they would be called “15 minute cities”), which allowed the population to go around using public transport. And the Chinese HSR system allows chinese citizens to travel around the country very efficiently and have vacations and such.
reality is that the disproportionate consumption of the rich far outweighs the consumption of the working people but even putting aside the easy gains of no more private jets and the like, there are things we do and buy that dont even make us happy and are terrible for the planet and often for our bodies like cars. The real question is why people would buy tons of useless garbage they dont want nor need and ultimately dont even use in a society were people arent flooded with propaganda to buy said shit all the time and in a society were ur ability to consume isnt the only measure of a persons worth. And that not even saying anything about repeatability and planned obsolescence.
Meat, cars, houses, fresh water, cell phones. That is the top of that list of ecological depredation. Billionaires for all their evil aren’t the ones eating over 50 billion animals per year. Yeah you read that right. It’s a large number.
Unless by “rich” you mean “middle class Americans” you’re mathematically wrong by many orders of magnitude.
Now I’m down to kill the billionaires, very eager, but it won’t solve our ecological woes. Not even close.