Universal Monk

Just curious, and not to beat a dead horse, but if Lemmy can give us notifications that comments are removed, why can’t it do a simple ban notification as well?

Because I always get notified when a post or comment has been removed.

Seems simple enough make the removal notification that led to banning something as simple as “Your comment has been removed for xxxx reason. And now you are banned from the community due to reasons xxxxx.”

I realize that my particular situation here has been resolved and we can move on, but I’m just curious if the lack of banning notifications is a software issue or if it’s a philosophical issue for Lemmy and the fediverse.

Fuck universal, that’s not the issue.

Hey now! lol

But yeah, to your point, I agree that any bots that ban, also need to notify. Especially since it’s a bot, and it’s automated, so it’s not like it would be much harder to do than the auto-banning. And I don’t routinely check modlogs before I post to a community.

This particular bot–if I understand correctly–auto bans based on someone’s downvotes, not necessarily on content. Even if those downvotes happened on another instance. Which to me, seems even worse, because some people can be right, even tho downvoted.

The issue started because I had no idea I was banned, and I accidentally posted to the community.

Apparently, it banned my same username from another instance that I was on. My time on that instance was pre-election, so in the weeks leading to it, Lemmy was quite um, passionate about downvoting anyone who wasn’t openly supporting Harris.

But I haven’t been controversial or posted any controversial content from this slrpnk instance. And I do not have the same downvote ratio on this instance because I stay away from politics here–except for the post to his community. Which was about Bernie Sanders–who I adore.

But the username thing may be an issue in the future too, because some people’s usernames are generic enough that that as we grow bigger, duplicates may be used unintentionally on different instances.

So banning based on downvotes of a user name on different instances, without reading content, seems problematic to me.

I have no problem with him running it in his community tho. His community, his rules, but the noise started because I had no idea what was going on until he posted this here.

But I definitely got the point, and won’t be posting to his community in the future.

I hope that there won’t be many communities doing the same sort of bot modding though.

“Unsalted Counter Info.” That is a great freakin’ name. I wish I would have known about them when I lived in the midwest. That would have been cool to be a part of when I was growing up.

And I didn’t even know the zine world was still a thing. I have a whole new rabbit hole to fall down now.

Part of the point of the violation here is that, if someone’s already blocked your name, they now have to do it again for three new accounts, until you make more beyond those three.

Which takes two seconds. I know because I’ve blocked several people. It’s not that difficult and I think site-wide banning because of opinions you don’t like is bad form. Avoiding that is the entire point of the fediverse.

But like I said, you and I have resolved our issues. We can move on.

Modlog, search for “harassing.”

And no examples. I still have no clue what they determined to be harassing. I got many nasty dm’s and would reply in kind, but I don’t see how that is harassing. Plus I’m quite aware that DM’s aren’t private. But again, their instance and their rules.

Not for your behavior on the previous instances exactly, but for starting up the same behavior from new accounts since you’d already been banned for it, which is against the rules.

Which we have already discussed wasn’t done on this instance, in your community or any other instance. It’s again, your assumption.

Really, let’s just end it here. You obviously think I’m a troll. I disagree. That’s ok. Let’s agree to disagree.

I won’t be posting to your community, now I know how your bot works, and we can just move on. Thank you.

I think some of it was for DM harrassment or posting fan fiction about other people on Lemmy.

Again, assumption. And no, none of that ever happened. Think about it, if that happened and I am so hated, wouldn’t there be ample evidence and screen shots about that? People on that instance hated me with a passion! And I gave you links to the mod log of that community.

And the “fan fiction” wasn’t fan fiction at all. I don’t even know where that term came from. lol

I created a community of creepy pulpy horror tales that tie into Lemmy. I have no idea why anyone would say it was fan fiction or anything of the sort.

It was me writing fun pulpy horror tales. NONE of it was about anyone specific on Lemmy. I parodied the ATTITUDES of Lemmy. Here’s the link to the community: https://sh.itjust.works/c/talesfromthecrypticlemmy

Your participation in previous politics communities was incredibly obnoxious.

Which has nothing to do with your community or this instance. People can easily block my name and never see or hear me ever again.

I’m not trying to be mean about it, and I’m not upset or anything.

Good to know, maybe I missed the tone in your text. I def took it as you were trying to ban me from this instance, lemm.ee, and sh.itjust.works because of what you thought of my previous behavior on an instance that I was banned from weeks ago. Since you are writing to all of the admins there.

If you’re interested in changing how you contribute so that you’re a net positive to the community, let’s talk.

I have already started a community on here. And I may switch my Tales from the Crytpic Lemmy to here as well. Especially after this conversation. And since I am finishing up a horror tale involving a solar power relay.

But again, I won’t be posting to your community, mainly because of all this drama that happened.

I wish no ill will towards you. I think you have a great community idea. After this experience, I can not say I support your robotic mod though. I doubt I will be the first confused person to run afoul of it.

But I do wish you the best of luck with it.

I’m not planning to set the bot up to notify dozens of users about their bans in a community they have never posted in and don’t care about.

Right. As you admit, I didn’t know I was banned. Yet you called for me to be banned from this and other instances for ban evasion. Seems unjust to me.

As I said under the other post, I do believe this evasion was entirely unintentional,

Ok, sorry, I didn’t catch that you were the one that said that in the flurry of responses.

You did know you were being obnoxious previously, and refused to stop doing it until it escalated to an account ban

And for the record, I do realize that you and most people thought I was trolling in .world. But I wasn’t trolling. And I don’t think I should even be considered a troll. A troll is based on intent, not dislike. I had no intention to get negative reactions. But people hated me anyway. And that’s totally their right.

I stand by everything I said and done there. And I accept my ban there, because I don’t run the instance. Their instance, their rules.

But in my definition of Trolling, it’s posting stuff JUST to get a negative response. I posted stuff IN SPITE of getting a negative response, not with the purpose to get one. I am fine with my role of being a dissenting voice.

The majority of my responses that were called “trolling” were just me responding to people. I never name-called, or was unpolite. THAT actually caused people to name-call me and call me a troll. I stand by everything I said there.

People were mad because I wasn’t voting for Harris and that I was voting for third party. And they thought that I was trying to sway the election.

But as we can now see, Harris lost by such a large margin, that even all if everyone who voted for third party would have thrown their support to Harris, she still would have lost.

So my posting my support for third parties didn’t change the election at all.

Here is the link to my comments and posts from .world and that community that led to my banning and bad rep: https://lemmy.world/modlog/1252?page=1&userId=9454261

People were mad because I didn’t vote for Harris. But I didn’t vote for Trump either. And I think it’s silly to think that people were so mad about that, especially after we have now seen how the election played out.

but you’re clearly more interested in figuring out the details of the rules so you can find ways around them and keep doing your same thing.

Again, that’s your assumption of my intent, but that doesn’t make it a reality of my intent. I have no desire to find ways around anything.

I honestly didn’t understand your anger or the ban. And I didn’t realize it was just based on a bot seeing that I had downvotes. I thought bans were based on something posted.

And as we have discussed, I didn’t even realize I was banned. Now you’ve explained it. Now I understand. And I have no desire to post in your community now.

You didn’t have to come at me so hard, man. So I was just confused and it set off a flurry of responses.

Please feel free to DM anytime in the future if you have an issue with me or would like to discuss things further.

As of now, I consider the matter resolved and I appreciate your explanations.

But it really seems that you are mostly upset about what happened in the past on a totally different instance. And I was already banned from that instance, so that matter has been resolved as well.

You are a troll and we’ve endured weeks of your bad faith reply barrages and even seen you bragging about downvotes.

I have only been on this slpnk instance for two days. And you can easily not “endure” me by blocking my name. So I’m not sure why you are so upset. Lemmy has plenty of tools to block voices you don’t want to hear from.

Actually the “bragging” about my downvotes, was because it was trying to be weaponized against me. So I owned it and stood by my comments. And by the way, I still stand by my comments on that other instance.

I was downvoted on .world because of my opinions that Trump was gaining on Harris in the polls and posting articles saying that, plus my love for third parties. And as the election showed, what I posted was shown to be accurate.

Also, I did not vote for Trump–I voted for a Socialist third party, even tho that shouldn’t matter when it comes to people downvoting me. But it does.

The most important part of all this is that all of that drama was on a different instance.

This instance isn’t about that. The downvotes that this person’s community bot banned me for WERE NOT based on me here on this instance.

I’m apolitical on this instance and I mostly post/comment about fitness, solar power, and cool anarchy stuff. And I have never hidden my username here or tried to hide who I was. I have never posted to any other instance with my slrpnk name.

The election is over. I don’t think politics needs to come into every single discussion on this instance. And I have no desire to post again in that person’s community.

The beauty of the fediverse is that it’s decentralized. And no one voice or one point of view can be overpowering.

Plus this situation has been resolved here, so we can move on.

Wow, this is a great resource. Thank you for this!

Ok, guys, now I get what happened. Even tho you all think I’m trolling, it’s really because I’m an idiot.

So I THINK I have worked it out. Someone DM’d me the theory.

So auk’s robot banned me from his community before I ever posted there under my slrpnk account, based on a downvote count that I had on another instance.

So since I never knew I was banned in his community (because the bot doesn’t notify), I mistakenly posted there, and auk recognized the user name, thought I was ban evading.

So now I get it. But, auk, your bot doesn’t notify people they were banned.

If people don’t know they’re banned (especially if they’ve never posted there), and then post there, I don’t think it’s fair to represent that as ban evasion.

But at least now I understand. I’m happy not to post there. It’s all good.

Guys, I’m not a troll just because I’m still learning all the Lemmy stuff.

Thank you for the clarification. So are you saying that I posted to pleasant politics under my .world account? Because I only started this slprnk account recently and I have only posted to your forum once.

And your “bot” banned me and you don’t have a record of when? And your bot doesn’t notify people that they are banned, so how would I know?

The negative reaction you are referring to is because I would post news articles saying that Trump was gaining on Harris. But they were political articles from news sources. And after the election results, the articles I was posting ended up being accurate. And I advocated third parties. Which now many many people on .world are doing.

My time here on slrpnk has been apolitical and I haven’t really posted anything political. And I haven’t posted to any other instances from my slrpnk account.

My slrpnk account is for my fitness, my anarchy and solar interests. Here is my post history from here: https://slrpnk.net/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts

I had no idea I was banned from your community. I am fine not posting there. Seriously I had no communication that I was banned from your community until today. I thinks it a great idea for a community, but I am totally fine not posting there.

I just didn’t understand why you were so upset. I have no desire for drama. And I’m happy to just stick to my little fitness community.

But I haven’t posted to any communites on this instance that I’ve been banned from.

Dude, you literally just banned me from your community today and I haven’t posted into pleasant politics since then. Under this name or any other name.

I don’t even know why you are so upset! What did I post in pleasant politics that you are so upset about?

In fact, me using the same username shows that I’m being transparent and not trying to evade bans.

If I wanted to evade bans, wouldn’t I just use a different username in order to hide the fact? I’m not evading anything, nor do I plan to.

Is having the same username on other instances a ban evasion though?

I was under the impression that a ban evasion would be being banned on an instance, creating an alt name on that instance, then continuing to post on that instance.

I thought the whole fediverse model was based on the fact that if your voice is sileneced on one instance, you could go to another instance. As long as it’s not for spamming or trolling.

This is a serious question, not being facetious. I have not been banned on lemm.ee or slrpnk, nor have I posted in !pleasantpolitics@slrpnk.net after being banned there–in fact i didn’t know I was banned there until just now.

I’m not sure what you’re meaning. I’m not sealioning, I genuinely don’t understand what you are so upset about.

Here are my post logs from both accounts:

https://slrpnk.net/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts

https://lemm.ee/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts

Great points.

Preach it, brother!