Why doesn’t it ever stop
It’s not just in the politics subs now, it’s everywhere
Please, won’t someone make it stop
Just keep your head in the sand bruh. Its where you’ve been this whole time.
Hey! It’s the guy with nothing worth saying. That still manages to say it too loud.
If you follow me, I’ve called this entire mess, its causes and its resolutions, 9 months out.
And I’ve pretty much been entirely correct, except that I called that Biden would drop out about 2 weeks earlier than he did.
In fact I have bets going back as far as December/ January that I’ll be able to collect on.
You can have a world view that predicts future states of reality, or can have whatever anti-scientific, reality denying mess Blue-MAGA has wrapped themselves up in.
The choice is yours.
As long as you believed it that makes one person. No on else does. No one has to follow you. We’ve seen you immaturely spamming/trolling, unable to articulate actual solutions. All over the place. You aren’t collecting on anyone. But I comend you on your vivid imagination.
Its all here my dude. Documented for all to see. As is the gaslighting, lying, cult-like behavior that you’ve been engaged in.
I won. History is and will be on my side.
You can try to ignore politics all you want but it’ll fuck up your life anyway.
Not everyone lives in the USA you donkey. Your circus is EVERYWHERE and it’s driving me insane. It’s literally all you can talk about.
I don’t live in the US and I’m as fed up with the whole shitshow as you are. But US politics unfortunately influences the entire world and if Trump gets elected everybody will suffer, no matter where they live.
None of the above, although Michelle would rock it - but she’s said she’s not interested, and having watched her husband do the job for 8 years, that’s probably a hard “nope.”
Harris will lose the race. She’ll be a popular punching bag for conservatives, and she’s polling even lower than Biden.
My favorites aren’t on there. Where’s Cory Booker? Where’s Amy Klobuchar? Where’s Andrew Yang? Where’s Buttigieg, or Warren?
Yang, Buttigieg, and Warren would lose, for different reasons. Klobuchar or Booker would stand a chance, i think. But of all of these “pre-vetted” options, I guess Whitmer’s in a strong position.
But not Harris. It’ll be her, of course, if he does step back, but they’ll crucify her. It’ll be Clinton all over again, only she’s starting even less popular than Hillary was. I don’t think conservatives have quite the visceral hatred for her that they seem to have foot Hillary, and she’s less prone to sticking her foot in her mouth, but nobody likes her, either. At least Hillary appealed to progressive women.
Where’s Andrew Yang?
#YangGang is a glimpse into the reality of the Democratic Party’s Asian American problem. (this isn’t the appropriate venue to actually discuss those issues; a quick Google search will quite contemporary results showing the trend).
Yang has moved on and created the “Forward Party” which is working to gain ballot access at the local level in a handful of States.
Thanks! I know Yang’s active, but I wasn’t aware he was that active. I hope he gets traction; it’s a steep, nearly impossible hill for third parties.
You might want to look at who his allies are and what his current policies are compared to what he claimed they were.
That’s good advice. Is there something in particular you think I should look out for?
I mostly go by stated planks and policies, and I admit I have assumed they haven’t changed much; when I do see news about him, nothing much seems to have changed.
OK. I’m sorry. That video is over an hour long, and even skipping forward through the toilet humor puppet parts, I found it hard to watch.
But I did watch far enough to grab this screenshot
which is the Forward Party’s planks. I take it you object to some of them? The YouTuber obviously did. I sat through his mocking the idea that the government should make policy on divisive issues based on facts (science) and, failing that, listening to the citizens and letting popular opinion decide policy. I dropped out before hearing his opinion on human-centered capitalism, although I could almost smell the laissez-faire economics through the screen, so I’m guessing he was equally dismissive of that.
If he mocked (and, could he not have?) the “Effective and Modern-Day Government,” well, I can’t blame him, because I don’t know WTF that means, either.
But, oh, if that guy’s a libertarian, and I’ve got a buck that says he is, then I’ll bet UBI really got him worked up. Although, I’d like to hear his solution for when ML eliminates white collar jobs, including his.
“Grace and Tolerance” are just being good people. It’s sad it has too be included as a plank, but considering that one party is objectively and openly opposed to any form of grace or tolerance (except tolerance of intolerance - Nazis deserve to be in government, too!), it’s not absurd that the Forward Party included it. It’s a sort of “Do no evil” company motto that served well, until accountants took over.
I got about a third of the way through before I bailed. Not my kind of humor, and I think from my brief exposure, I think I’d really dislike that guy as a person. He looks like someone I’d end up punching because he’s pushing his girlfriend around outside of a club.
Lol, incredible. Cody Johnston is for sure a libertarian, you have demonstrated incredible insight and intellectual rigor.
I think you’re exactly the kind of voter the Forward Party is looking for!
Someone who wants to know what they actually stand for, but, not, like, by doing something that would take more than 15 minutes.
Bernie?
How about we appreciate the work he’s done but get some actual you get folks who aren’t boomers in charge. His time has unfortunately passed for the highest office but he can be hugely effective in an important cabinet position.
Shutup Feinstein
AOC turns 35 right before the election, she’s eligible. I think she’d be incredible. She knows how to energize people
I really wish she wasn’t constantly referred to by an acronym, it makes her sound like a super PAC or some other soulless organization instead of an actual person. Pedantic I know, but as someone only vaguely familiar with her, it’s the first thing I think of when I hear about her.
What about MLK, LBJ, JFK, RFK, etc? Lots of people get “initialized”
No Pete Buttigieg? Probably just as corporate as the other ones, but seems like he’d make a semi-decent pick.
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Its a coming to Jesus moment for party centrists about being so historically wrong they’ve been about everything, this entire time. And this is them trying to make up for it in rapid time. This is them realizing they don’t and didn’t know what the fuck they were doing, ever.
Real answer: We should nominate whoever is most likely to win. The most important and only point is that we need to beat Trump, and we need to stop project 2025. Keeping Biden as the nominee has continuously fucked over our ability to fix this idiotic and stupid unforced error, but here we are. We can fix this.
I think the most electable combination is Kamala + 1. I think that + 1 should be either farther to the left or farther to the right, but regardless you need to get a demographic. The two best options are AOC and Andy Beshear. If you go Andy Beshear, you are trying to pull off NC and GA, and PA. If you go AOC, you are doing so to recover the upper midwest. Andy Beshear is the harder path in an extremely polarized environment; Democrats have been notoriously bad at clawing back votes in southern states. If you go the AOC route, you let her take an oppositional stance on Israel/ Gaza and claw back MI/ MN/ WI.
MN hasn’t voted republican in a presidential election since tricky dick in 1972. There have been a few close calls.
MN Polling: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/minnesota/ MN polling at a toss up (keep in mind Trump almost always outperforms his polling).
Another fun one, Jersey is now a swing state: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/new-jersey/
Your comment about “claw back” implies that the dems lost MN. You can’t claw back that which hasn’t happened yet.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2020/minnesota/
Minnesota 2020.
Dems up by 10, and polling 15 pts ahead of where they are polling today.
Dems only won MN by five points on election day. Anything close to a tie in polling for Dems is an L.
Yes. It’s a correct statement to say that Dems have to have to claw things back to win MN.
AOC is a lightning rod for conservatives, moreso due to sexism imho than her politics because she gets way more hate than Bernie even though they’re politically very similar. She’s not a good choice just because of that. I don’t think the general population of the US is ready for two women on a ticket, esp two women of color. Could make an exciting ticket in the way Obama was, but only if Kamala proves to be as engaging of a speaker. Which, honestly I think she’s a good orator but a lot of people will have trouble seeing past the fact she is a woman, and Kamala will unconsciously or consciously have all the usual biases against women in power (bossy, crazy, etc).
I honestly had no idea who Beshear is but just looking him up, I think he’d be an okay pick. Looks like a boring white guy, has solid liberal track record. I feel like a white guy who supports Palestine would be better, Kamala has a lot of pushback from leftists from her time as DA in CA. Idk who that would be.
This hand wringing around what “conservatives” want is not a way to decide who the Democratic nominee should be.
She’s not a good choice just because of that.’
If anything, having them as a lightening rod to be able to put the racism & sexism of the republican party on full display; there is narrative power in that.
You put AOC on the ticket and you let her step left on Gaza/ Israel.
You make the ENTIRE campaign about abortion rights and a woman’s right to choose. Get back to the progressive roots that underpinned the platform that got Harris/ Biden elected in the first place. Activate a base around specifically abortion rights and I think you get this thing in the bag. Women right now are incredibly disenfranchised by the shockingly weak way in-which Biden has responded to the overturning of Roe V Wade. This is a chance to activate the singularly largest voting block there is in the US: Women. And they overwhelmingly support a womans right to choose.
VP’s are notoriously bad at “getting” their states. Beshear is the soft answer and MSNBC is test-ballooning this right now.
If Andy Beshear “gets you” KY, he’s worth it. If he can’t get KY (and really also GA, and NC), he’s a waste of space. But maybe he can do it. I just don’t see any other conservative Democrat who can fit that bill right now.
I think the double woman ticket leaning into the only thing thats worked for Democrats in 20 years, progressive idealism, is how you lock things up.
I’m not talking about catering to Conservatives, I’m talking about the cultural campaign of meme-ification of AOC that conservatives have been waging for years, that could be convincing to moderates and moderate Democrats.
The only successful Democratic presidential candidates in the last twenty years have been Obama and Biden. Obama won because he has a lot of natural charisma, and came along with a story of having our first black president. Biden won as a reaction to the first Trump presidency. Neither were really particularly idealistic Democrats… Obama did not even express public support gay marriage when he came into office, he had pretty centrist positions overall and gave off an idealistic message with campaign art, speeches and slogans, but his actual policy was not especially progressive.
So Obama won as a biracial black man with the conservative stance against gay marriage, and overall very center-liberal politics, but flashy idealistic messaging.
If progressive idealism had been working, we would have had Bernie presidency by now tbh
I just to be clear, you are arguing that Obama didn’t campaign as an idealist?
Not how he governed, but his 2008 campaign. You know, the one where he delivered the famous acceptance speak “The audacity of Hope”. You know, the campaign with these posters:
Your saying this wasn’t a campaign based on idealism?
Not how he governed to be clear, where I agree on your evaluation of Obama’s alignment; but his 2008 campaign.
Obama didn’t win 2008 on centrism or being against gay marriage. He won 2008 in spite of those things.
I think I was pretty clear saying his campaign was based on the idea and image of idealism, but his politics did not reflect that, not his actual politics or his promised politics in 2008. You’re showing me this poster as if I didn’t directly mention the art and sloganing as a major reason for his win.
AOC may have idealistic policy positions, but her public image is so meme-ified I don’t think she could successfully do the Hope thing that Obama did. Obama was much less well known of a politician when he ran.
I think you are muddying the water between campaign/ candidate Obama that misrepresents the fact that he campaigned as a progressive idealist, and it worked to get him into office. His platform was a very progressive platform that he did not govern to; this has been brought up repeatedly as an issue with Obama and was brought up when he was campaigning for a second term.
I think it’s utterly disingenuous to present the Obama 2008 campaign as anything but a campaign focused on progressive idealism even if it was more of a show than how Obama ultimately governed.
Correspondingly, Bidens 2020 platform was maybe the most progressive platform any president has run on since Jimmy Carter, and it was a horse trade that got him Sanders voters and effectively the election.
Feel like I mentioned again and again that I’m talking about his campaign politics. I took a look at his 2008 campaign policies to see if I was misremembering anything and it’s pretty centrist to me, even his health care plan. And like I mentioned, he explicitly did not support gay marriage which at the time would have been an easy progressive signalling, but he either truly opposed gay marriage or he was trying to cater to a broader audience.
Like I said, he had a convincing image of idealism but not the politics to back it up, and you are saying AOC could win because she has progressive politics. She would need the flashy campaign to back it up, and so many people just hate her I don’t think it would work.
Anyway I’m just saying the same things over and over again in different wording and it’s getting tired, respond if you want, idc, but I’m going to stop here.
