• jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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    2 months ago

    Hmmm disagree. If someone’s politics are violence, and they have a serious path to enacting them, it’s self defense. Self defense is generally acceptable.

    I don’t want to politely walk into a concentration camp because a bunch of people in states I don’t even live in voted to exterminate the queers and their friends.

    Also anyone who’s going to say “Gay marriage is violence against society” is an asshole and wrong. Anyone who says abortion is murder but isn’t doing jack fuck to help living humans is not worth listening to. Just to preempt the “well they think the same about you!” nonsense.

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      2 months ago

      Here’s the thing: Trump’s politics do not stop with Trump. Killing him does not kill the fascistic movement he’s contributed greatly to, it has a life of it’s own, and even had he died today, whoever replaces him would still be peddling the same kinds of things, except they’d now have a martyr to rally Trump’s old fanbase around, one that, by virtue of being killed, many people are going to feel reluctant to criticize. As such, I feel that this attack, assuming it was politically motivated (and I figure the odds that someone shoots at Trump for reasons unrelated to his political agenda are quite slim, so it’s probably a safe assumption) was a mistake- I fear that it will have helped Trump’s agenda more than hurt it, and would have done so even if it was successful in killing him.

      Now, Im not saying this to be one of those “violence is never the answer” types, I do recognize that there are situations where the only hope one has to survive an openly hostile political force is overwhelming violence; but it must be recognized that such an effort is extremely risky, it has significant drawbacks even if successful (such as setting a precedent legitimizing political violence, which anyone else may use, or causing collateral damage), and carries a significant risk that when the shooting stops, you’ll be on the losing end. As such, it really should be a last resort, and seeing as Trump isn’t even president yet, hasn’t even been voted in, and doesn’t yet have a legislature stacked up to ensure he can actually carry out his agenda, we’re not yet at the point where it is the only option left to stop him. Employing it now makes it more likely that we reach that point.

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    2 months ago

    Really wonder what Trump would’ve said if Bernie got shot. Probably offer a pardon to whoever was involved. Maybe even a Medal of Freedom.

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      2 months ago

      Beside it not being the proper democratic way of deciding how to be governed, the problem with political violence is that it quickly spirals out of control and can burn everything to the ground.

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        2 months ago

        I met a man in the jungle who was […] like a tangerine. […] Some people just want to watch the world burn

        -Michael Caine as Alfred Pennyworth in the Dark Knight

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    2 months ago

    Welp, maybe the DNC will let him be president yet in 10 years for spewing nonsense like this. Billionaires running a country IS political violence, even Biden is letting corporations price gouge us and Israel commit genocide

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    2 months ago

    Well staging an assassination on yourself going as far as using a movie blood capsule on your ear, but then taking it too far and make it obvious by doing an impromptu photo op under the flag is not actually the type of political violence we should condemn.