But the rich party donors don’t actually mind their party losing as long as they also control the second party well enough to avoid regulations, taxes, or any modicum of responsibility towards society.
FPTP isn’t about which party wins, it’s about reducing the power of the electorate far enough that change only happens with the content of the rich.
It’s only temporary. Once they’ve bribed farage sufficiently he’ll disband the reform party and the tories will return to dominating elections through the corruption of FPTP. The absurd thing is Labour refuse to accept this and will blunder on refusing to accept we need a proportional electoral system
In my opinion labour’s victory was due to the utter incompetence of the conservatives and unexpected success of the reform party.
I don’t believe these circumstances will be repeated so labour will get demolished as usual in the next election.
The same applies to the lib dems getting 70 seats under FPTP. It won’t be repeated so they must work together to repair the damn system
Out of interest, if you tried re-running the election using hypothetical IRV results—giving every Reform vote to the Tories, every Green vote to Labour, etc. (not sure how you’d distribute LibDem votes. Presumably mostly to Labour at this election?)—what would the results be? Has anyone tried doing something like that?
I’m mildly surprised by that, since FPTP actively hurt them at the last election.
It might have lost the party the election
But the rich party donors don’t actually mind their party losing as long as they also control the second party well enough to avoid regulations, taxes, or any modicum of responsibility towards society.
FPTP isn’t about which party wins, it’s about reducing the power of the electorate far enough that change only happens with the content of the rich.
It’s only temporary. Once they’ve bribed farage sufficiently he’ll disband the reform party and the tories will return to dominating elections through the corruption of FPTP. The absurd thing is Labour refuse to accept this and will blunder on refusing to accept we need a proportional electoral system
Labour have just won a 174 seat majority on 34% of the vote with FPTP.
There would be no benefit to them in changing the system.
Oh, there is. There is no guarantee this will be repeated.
In my opinion labour’s victory was due to the utter incompetence of the conservatives and unexpected success of the reform party. I don’t believe these circumstances will be repeated so labour will get demolished as usual in the next election. The same applies to the lib dems getting 70 seats under FPTP. It won’t be repeated so they must work together to repair the damn system
Out of interest, if you tried re-running the election using hypothetical IRV results—giving every Reform vote to the Tories, every Green vote to Labour, etc. (not sure how you’d distribute LibDem votes. Presumably mostly to Labour at this election?)—what would the results be? Has anyone tried doing something like that?
Yeah but they’d get fucked with PR.
Labour less so but they would still prefer FPTP over PR for party reasons. And without one or both of these large groups nothing will change. 😞