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Germany is developing an app to help people locate the nearest bunker in the event of attack. Sweden is distributing a 32-page pamphlet titled If Crisis or War Comes. Half a million Finns have already downloaded an emergency preparedness guide.
If the prospect of a broader conflict in Europe seems remote for many, some countries at least are taking it seriously – and, in the term used by Germany’s defence minister, Boris Pistorius, taking steps to get populations kriegsfähig: war-capable.
Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine has dramatically raised security tensions across the Baltic region, prompting Finland and Sweden to abandon decades of nonalignment and join Nato. Military capability, however, is not all: citizens have to be braced too.
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Smart, since Trump is Putin’s No. 1 fan, America can’t be relied upon anymore to do the right thing
As an American, I agree.
It’s a disgrace really. He is going to end up pulling a “deal” with his “business Sav” and end up with appeasement for a directly authoritarian regime.
It’s why Republicans aren’t concerned about tariffs on Canadian oil-- they’ll just ship it in from Russia instead
That makes me want to vomit
Every thing in politics has made me want to vomit for as long as I can remember. I’m an Albertan who votes NDP.
Birds of feather…
I dunno, I think the issue is that Trump wants to do the right thing.
Get it? Eh? I’ll see my way out…
Germany: we need to invest in our Army to resist a war
also Germany: let’s spend 835 million Euros in new parade uniforms
https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/bundeswehr-ausgehuniform-ausgaben-100.html
History is a closed loop
That is fantastic.
Then you should check out some other stuff centurii made
TBF, the introduction of the new uniforms was already decided in 2018 by the prior government under the MoD Ursula von der Leyen, and the new uniforms will be implemented step by step until 2032.
Er erläuterte, dass die Modernisierung der Dienstbekleidung 2018 entschieden, dann aber zurückgestellt worden sei, um vorher wichtige Kampfbekleidung und -ausrüstung zu erneuern und zu modernisieren. Dies sei in den letzten Jahren geschehen, so dass nun auch das Vorhaben bei der Dienstbekleidung weiter umgesetzt werde.
Zudem erstrecke sich die Finanzierung des Gesamtvorhabens bis 2032.
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/bundeswehr-ausgehuniformen-100.html
Yeah, it’s just striking how everything has so much inertia. Ukraine has been holding the fort for 3 years now, and we’re looking at those immense budgets for useless stuff.
Same with the bunkers, let’s make an app to see where you can take refuge in one of the bunkers … let’s see… that can hold short of 500 thousand people country wide. That’s fine, 1 citizen in 160.
New uniforms aren’t useless. If the Bundeswehr wants to be an attractive employer they need modern uniform. I read online that people who served find the current ones very outdated. We just need to invest more in the military in total
it’s not like the money just disappears, it goes into the economy, right?
yup, into the pocket of the companies with the best lobbyists
You think uniforms are useless?
I would be interested in hearing why every single military in the world uses them.
parade uniforms.
…which again, every military has.
yup and i find 80% of a BILLION Euros a whole lot of money for looking good for ceremonies and street parades but that’s maybe just me
Yeah, but isn’t part of that always black budget for secret shit?
Today to 2032 is eight years. 180k people in uniform, currently. The Ausgehuniform is the service dress uniform, not the parade uniform (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_dress_uniform ), so more an everyday uniform outside of combat and… Ah, hell, someone else put it maybe better: https://augengeradeaus.net/2024/11/neue-dienstanzuege-erlaeuterung-vom-verteidigungsministerium/
Stop reading Bildzeitung.
alright fair enough, thank you for clearing that up. i’m not reading that piece of shit of a rag btw.
Yeah turns out even tagesschau copied these Bild word emissions. :/
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Germany is also adding reliance of China, which is basically the proxy war handler of Russia
Clearly as German imports from China peaked in 2022.
Important context: Sweden and especially Finland have long had a defense model based around literally everyone contributing to defending against an occupation. The real change is they don’t consider that enough of a deterrent anymore, hence joining NATO, after seeing Russia bloody itself against Ukraine for several years.
Germany is developing an app to help people locate the nearest bunker in the event of attack.
Why would you develop an app for bunkers that do not exist? Peak German
Because it’s not about bunkers in the traditional sense, but shelters. Subway stations, parking garages, etc. can be used as shelters, but are not bunkers.
Nobody prepares for a thermonuclear war, but having bombs rain on our cities is unfortunately not impossible.
Had the same thoughts on this. Other countries in Europe take this responsibility a bit more serious, for instance Finland.
Also why an App? I’m sure checking my phone is very far down in my priorities list in such a case. I prefer Swedens approach, better to have info material printed out and ready with a bunch of other important documents.
Because the German federal administration thinks they can simultaneously address the issue of missing digitalization with an app
Too true. In case of war, this is pretty much counter-intuitive.
Next they implement a paid version, where the more privileged people will get notified of the even better shelters.
If there’s one thing I want in my life it’s fewer Apps.
Fewer.
/-♱-\
Oh yeah right. I saw the same debate about fewer and less just a few days ago but its obviously not something made for my brain to stick. Thanks for pointing that out.
I feel like adding that /-♱-\ is a bit offensive tho.
I feel like adding that /-♱-\ is a bit offensive tho.
Sorry, this was supposed to be “a hill to die on”. Clearly not all that clear
(i thought it was a tie fighter)
Because you can send an alert on the phone, get the coordinates and the person to the next shelter. There are early warning systems, so that is somewhat possible. Ukraine and Israel use such apps very successfully.
EDIT: Obviously it should not be the only option.
I’m more worried about the app being hacked and sending people en masse to the next target of bombs.
Im wondering why no one realizes they could just make a map.
A mApp?
When will it end!?
The netherlands have decided to ignore the problem of civil defence till it goes away. But at least we’re investing in the military again, and we won the allied-military geographic lottery, so I do see the logic.
Where are you getting that from?
Which part? No shelters for random people: https://nos.nl/artikel/2546039-nederland-heeft-geen-schuilkelders-en-dat-blijft-voorlopig-zo
And
Defense spending: https://nos.nl/artikel/2507722-defensie-krijgt-miljarden-extra-te-besteden-maar-kan-dat-geld-ook-uitgegeven-worden
And for positioning, well, really any map will do.
I hate it when video games turn real.
Although… Generation Zero is a pretty fun game…
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As for your canned food question:
The main factors of spoilage are Microorganisms -> Oxygen -> Light
If canned properly a can takes care of all of these. If the can is undamaged, chance is your cream chicken is perfectly fine to eat for many more years.
Thanks for the info, both of you. Though it is so delicious that I decided to eat it on the coming weekend on a real meal.
Dates on foodstuffs are generally “use by” dates, which means that the manufacturer says it will be up to their quality standards to that date. After that, the taste may be off, but generally speaking, if it doesn’t have mold growing on it and it doesn’t smell funny, it’s very unlikely to do you any harm.
Canned and jarred foods are sealed in the can, and then brought up to a high temperature for a sufficient period of time to kill any pathogens inside. If a can is bulging, it is indicative of pathogen growth. Avoid cans which are rusty.
It’ll probably still be good after 9/2025. As long as the can isn’t dented or bulging out, the food should still be good. It might not taste as fresh as opening it now, but there shouldn’t be anything wrong with it because it’s a sealed can. A quick search will explain it better than me.
really looking forward to a worldmap without russia.
North Mongolia
Bet the orange is sitting back in his diaper wringing his hands in avaricial glee
War. So hot right now.
