• NateNate60@lemmy.world
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    There has not been peace in the Middle East since the Ottoman Empire and there probably never will be peace in the Middle East for at least several decades more.

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      There won’t be peace in the middle east until we’ve moved beyond petroleum.
      When there’s no need for oil the global superpowers won’t need to play the regional powers against each other to take advantage of the chaos for profit anymore.

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      There isn’t going to be peace in my region until any of the regional powers once again has hegemony. Right now this region is a shatter belt, that is a region where regional and global powers treat as a battleground. That’s why a revolution against Syria’s government devolved into American, Russian, Turkish, Kurdish, Iranian, Israeli, Iraqi and Lebanese aircraft militias and armies directly involved, with even more indirectly involved.

      Sadly the next few decades portend a collapse of the current authoritarian stability and even more Syria-like disasters.

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        People have been saying “As long as no [disliked social group] exists in the Middle East, there will be no peace” for the entirety of history.

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          Interesting theory. Tell us more about your obviously clear understanding of the 800 years of the jews living peacefully in that region during the ottoman empire.

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          Do you really think that if Israel did not exist that there’d be peace there?

          I am 1000% confident that there would not be gencoide there if not for zionists. And theres plenty of proof of peace there in the past.

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        Just wanna point out that this is racist (???) propaganda meant to give the impression that the current state of the Middle East is anything but directly caused by Western interference. The Middle East was stable under Ottoman rule and Arab (gross oversimplification) rule before it.

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          Yeah, this whole “that place hasn’t had peace for thousands of years” is a Western talking point made to justify our occupation there.

          The Ottoman and Arab empire (which we LOVE to pretend never existed) not only brought a lot of the innovations in science and technology that we still use to this day, but they also had a lot of social advancements that predated Western culture.

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        there was 800 years of peace under the ottoman empire that ended at about ww1. Zionists like to paper over that and pretend there has always been war there between jews and goy, but its not true at all.

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    just wait. anti-muslim fear-mongering will start soon, and then we’ll go to war. i give it less than a year

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        I know. Can’t wait to see the daily goalpost movements from Trump voters doing everything they can to avoid admitting they fucked up. “Nah it’s ok guys, the camps aren’t concentration camps. Didn’t you hear Vance call them ‘forced timeshare rentals’? That’s all they are, so it’s ok.”

        And then what % remains diehard after all of the awful shit he will do.

        And, sadly, which group my parents fall under. If they can’t admit they were wrong, I’m not sure I can have them in my life. I cannot abide fascists, and they need to know that what they support is not only not ok, it’s actively damaging the future of their own children and grandchildren.

        And “not ok” is putting it far too lightly. It’s morally abhorrent and they should be ashamed.

        Tough decisions ahead…

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    Well, no shit.

    I’ve been phasing out US channels from my social media and I think it’s time to block Lemmy politics and other US-focused politics discussion from here as well. I don’t have much compassion for what Americans will endure the next however many years, but man, it does suck for everybody else.

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      all of my friends voted for harris and many of them campaigned for harris, including myself. no compassion is cool though- also cool to take the time to tell people you’re not only lacking in compassion, youre good with out-group homogenity in place of actual thinking. it’s also good you’re just burying your head in the sand, but take the time to ensure other people know that’s what you’re doing.

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        Screw that. I am forced to deal with US politics and culture in enough areas of my life to be shamed for refusing to care about their self-harming tendencies. I don’t have a need to care about what the US do to themselves in the same way I don’t have a need to care about what Argentina or Hungary or Russia do to themselves. At least Russians don’t have a real choice.

        Admittedly, I did have the compulsion to write that down here at all, as opposed to those other examples. In my defense, that’s because a) I literally wrote that as I clicked the “block” button in this community, and b) it’s insanely hard to not pay attention to the US. It requires active effort. This community isn’t even called “US politics”, it’s just called “Politics”. The US dominating my media is the default stance of the world, I have to take aggressive action to make that not be the case.

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          i mean thats all fair. i do hope that if the politics in whatever country you live in take an authoritarian tilt or shift in a way thats openly hostile to you, you dont have to read someone writing that they have no compassion for you. i mean i will survive this, but its not very nice

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            Hah. Been there, done that. Partially thanks to the US, actually.

            All countries have their history. It’s part of why I don’t feel I’m obligated to watch.

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    As long as the United States exists and the world still uses petroleum, there will never be peace in the Middle East. The genocide is Gaza is nothing more than a business decision by democrats and republicans, to keep the region destabilized so that it can’t resist Western imperialism.

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    I feel like the middle east is sort of just like, haunted, doomed to eternal conflict by malevolent specters.

    (Yes, I know those specters are the military industrial complex, colonialism, ancient civilizations, authoritarian rule, oil and natural gas, sectarian divisions, Israel, religious extremeists oh god maybe it is haunted)

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    I think some non-voters knew that he would burn our system to the ground, and thats what they voted for.

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      Why? Don’t think people who’d be considered tankies and recognized Biden as being being genocidal generally thought trump was better. I mean some Americans probably because Americans are politically illiterate and trump sometimes says he’ll do peace so doubtlessly some believed him. But I don’t think people saying genocide joe are surprised