Right as always. Too bad he’ll never be prez…
The hypocrisy I see as an outsider. American left demanding old white men get out of politics, yet wanting Bernie, an old white man. Why is it that only YOUR dinosaur should rule? Bernie doesn’t even have a protoge, he should! Not having one shows he’s not interested in ceding power or influence and doesn’t want a young person around
I’m not 'merican but I like bernie because he just makes sense
Same, but he can’t win. So really what’s the point? He can’t even run the Democratic nomination let alone the entire country. He’s got great ideas but I think for the length of his career he can be pretty ineffectual. He needed a protoge to prepare for the next generation but never did
They were never with us
You’re not working class if you’re a software developer. If you think you know their world, you’re also delusional or larping.
I don’t know the person you’re responding to but I have to say that not all software developers earn lots of money like the folks in silicon valley. I earnt less than the median wage in my country for a long time. Also if you’re renter in a country with a rental crisis you’re be losing most of your wages to that, and getting kicked out every 12 months, losing your savings to moving costs. I’m more stressed than I was working as a manual labourer in 2009.
They did decades ago too. But they still are actively refusing to acknowledge the American working class exists and are struggling.
Whoever told Kamala to brag about the economy to anyone that isn’t a millionaire needs to be the first person to never work in politics again, but most of the DNC leadership clearly are either intentionally blowing elections because that’s what their donors won’t, or are completely and totally inept.
We need a popular vote of registered Dem voters to determine DNC leadership and party platform If we keep giving leadership to whoever gets the most donations, they’ll keep ignoring the working class because it’s easier to get money from the wealthy.
But they still are actively refusing to acknowledge the American working class exists and are struggling.
The Bern is smart and usually right about these kind of things.
That said, I’d argue that even in the campaign this year some steps were taken in the right direction, e.g.
We have not even brought forth legislation to raise the minimum wage to a living wage, despite the fact that some 20 million people in this country are working for less than $15 an hour
But then, https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/23/politics/federal-minimum-wage-harris-trump/index.html
Whoever told Kamala to brag about the economy to anyone that isn’t a millionaire needs to be the first person to never work in politics again
I can see this as being a calculated risk - take credit for something that sounds good - but yeah they forgot the maxim “it’s the economy, stupid!”
We need a popular vote of registered Dem voters to determine DNC leadership and party platform
Better yet, a reformed system so that a third party who implements this has a legitimate shot at the highest offices.
If we keep giving leadership to whoever gets the most donations, they’ll keep ignoring the working class because it’s easier to get money from the wealthy.
Perhaps I defeated myself here - I came here to justify the Dems but if I’m saying we have a better shot at reforming the US constitution than we do at reforming the internals of the Dem party, then I’ve really done the opposite.
If Bernie Bros actually cared about what Bernie says, they would have voted Harris
And they did. Liberals just can’t admit they are, and have been since Reagan, the problem.
I understand that online this inaccurate sentiment is in the 24-hour news cycle so you’ll see a lot of inaccurate articles today, but in real life, Biden has proven himself with direct legislative and personal action to be the most pro-union pro-working class president in decades.
If you’re unaware of the legislative actions he’s dedicated to the working class during his presidency alone(higher wages, union rights, employee rights and so on), you can check out this list:
Biden has proven himself with direct legislative and personal action to be the most pro-union pro-middle class president in decades.
The problem is that the bar is so low that this is true
The qualifier isn’t even necessary.
bar notwithstanding, even by the measures of a progressive presidency, the legislation biden has dedicated to and enacted for the working class is very impressive.
That can’t be said about the measures taken by any other president in at least half a century.
the most pro-union pro-middle class president in decades
So you agree with Bernie that he wasn’t helping the working class?
middle class
noun
- The socioeconomic class between the working class and the upper class, usually including professionals, highly skilled laborers, and lower and middle management.
- A social and economic class lying above the working class and below the upper class
nope, if you read the rest of the comment detailing unions, employee rights and wages, you may be able to work out that “middle” is clearly a typo and the context is obviously the working class.
I wrote “working” class in the next sentence the second time I referenced biden’s policies in the same comment.
The link in the same comment also mentions “working” people.
but at least you were super obnoxious about a typo for no reason!
Don’t hurt yourself patting your own back.
My guy, you made a typo which undercut your own argument, this was not me being pedantic over something like spelling or sentence structure.
I’ll accept that I could have worded it better, but it was a genuine question after having read your post, touting “middle class” Biden policies.
“you made a typo which undercut your own argument,”
A single word that is very obviously referencing the working class like every other part of the comment, that you could only interpret as an “undercut” if you are not reading or understanding any of the rest of the comment and do not even read the title of the linked article referencing the working class.
“this was not me being pedantic”
I doubt you could get more pedantic.
you are focusing on a single word desperately trying to misunderstand the OP, every single other practical and context clue in three paragraphs of a comment, plus an article about the working class.
“it was a genuine question after having read your post”
is this true? you thought to yourself:
"hm, the post is about the working class, this commenter references the working class specifically, he references three working class issues biden made progress on, links an article specifically titled “working class”, but he did type “middle” once in the second paragraph.
I can’t tell what this comment is about!"
If you truly went through this process and that is the level of your reading comprehension, then I can leave it there, with my sympathies.
You’re interpreting “hey, this word you used is contrary to the rest of your argument - are you sure about your argument?” in a confrontational manner. Hence the question mark, and not something like “dumbass, Bernie was talking about the working class smh”. Hence the definition copypasta, because you (seemingly) conflated working class with middle class.
I can go back and absolutely re-read my post through the lens of condescension instead of a question, but so far you’re the only one who’s maintained an insulting tone.
"!You’re interpreting “hey, this word you used is contrary to the rest of your argument - are you sure about your argument?” in a confrontational manner. "
that is not what you wrote.
I’m interpreting what you wrote as confrontational because you wrote a completely different confrontational statement than your pretend-quote above.
despite the OP writing about the working class, me responding with the phrase"working class", pointing out three specific working class issues biden improved, linking an article titled “working class”, you wrote:
"So you agree with Bernie that he wasn’t helping the working class?
middle class
noun
- The socioeconomic class between the working class and…"
trying your hardest to ignore the post, comment, all of the context clues and available information so you could focus on a typo to come to an incorrect conclusion you could hold up with a pedantic flourish via boldtype and a definition.
you are being obnoxious, pedantic and confrontational.
If you were confused, you could have written:
"did you mean “working class”?
you wrote middle class."
instead, you went to the trouble of puzzling out a clearly incorrect conclusion despite all of the direct and contextual evidence, add boldtype unnecessarily, and very obnoxiously attach a definition to a phrase I’m obviously very familiar with since I’m talking about it with familiarity, citing specific examples and an article.
“Hence the question mark”
adding a question mark doesn’t mitigate how obnoxious your comments are.
you’re deliberately trying to misunderstand something so that you can attack me based on a minor error that is easily remedied and understood despite, within the context of the fuller comment or post.
you seem very happy to 1. lie about your direct quotes 2. lie about your intention based on those quotes 3. continue to defend those false quotes rather than apologizing and admitting you acted poorly.
The logical conclusion for your behavior is that you’re trying to extend an argument, despite you not having a leg to stand on.
you can keep trying to make things up, and I will keep not letting that fly.
“I can go back and absolutely re-read my post…”
don’t hurt yourself, who knows if you can manage the burden of glancing… or heaven forbid, reading?
question mark, so it’s not confrontational?
I’m disengaging bc this is going nowhere and besides, sidebar rules - stay on topic.
Removed by mod
and stood on their picket line. go ahead, try giving that article a read if you can manage.
Removed by mod
“He literally busted a strike”.
this is the one example people are going to deliberately misinterpret so that you don’t take the trouble to actually read about or understand his supportive working class or union policies, specifically the linked article above showing many of the legislative and direct action he’s taken to help the work in class and the unions during his presidency.
you can click that link and literally follow other hyperlinks to the legislation established.
“It still amazes me his pr team…”
again, this is actual legislation and action, not PR. Stop blindly repeating headlines, they are inaccurate and you are twisting yourself up.
look for comprehensive evidence of concrete actions and consequences concerning your anxieties.
hint: objective, irrefutable evidence of biden’s support for the middle class and unions is in that article I linked above
Thats no excuse not to vote and enable fascism. That lead to there never being free elections again so 0 chance to improve things.
Our elections were never going to change things. Losing electoralism isn’t great don’t get me wrong but when the only people you can reasonably get elected are presented to you by the owning class it isn’t a free election.
There is a reason we call so many problems “systemic”
The US is just an oligarchy. Most political scientists agree these days.
It might not be Russia-levels of oligarchy, but it’s trending that way.
Removed by mod
Working class was abandoned right after fall of USSR if not out right during demented Raygoon
it took us 40 years to figure this out tho… gonna need to do better here peasants.
The Democrats are overly centralized for their diverse coalition, and can’t please all of the ethnic groups, working class, indistinguishable middle class, and billionaire donors.
Can we have viable 3rd parties please?
And please don’t start with a presidential election, just get on local city and town councils, school boards and build from there.
I vote 3p straight ticket until 1) something changes OR 2) i am dead.
I am done feeding regime whores my votes and to provide this clown set up any legitimacy.
As side note, when you vote 3P, look up your local rules to ensure that your vote is actually counted! you must do this otherwise, it is the same as not voting and many states won’t count your vote unless you do it right.
Disgusting 2 party system is there to preserve owner class grip on power.
Congrats on wasting your vote for life. We all appreciate your sacrifice.
That’s my vote to waste ;)
I hope everyone else does with theirs what they deem proper.
deleted by creator
The only time Bernie Sanders is right, is when he’s apologizing and walking back the last time he was wrong.
It’s amusing how this comment manages to be so non-specific and vague while also flamebaiting.
Bring an actual contribution to the thread or fuck off.
Stop blaming the democrats. It’s the people who voted for the weirdos party. Conservatives care about the working class less than democrats. Would You prefer democrats to bullshit people just so they can win? Trump’s win is the fault of Americans being the stupidest people on earth.
Removed by mod
