• ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip
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    10 hours ago

    In really it’s probably a mix that totals to around 90% of the people making these pronouncements are either bots, paid trolls from enemy nations, nihilists, or the equivalent. The remaining 10% probably have a genuine belief that voting for Harris makes them complicit in the genocide the Israeli government and its military are committing. They’re incorrect, on many levels, but that is probably their genuine belief.

    We must always vote for the lesser evil because that’s what the real world is, from the most negative point of view: reducing evil and suffering. We know some of the things we’re doing today will be seen as evil by our progeny. We don’t know others.

    A Harris administration will be the most likely to reduce the suffering of Palestinians, the most likely to force the Israeli government and military to end the genocide, and the most likely to make real strides toward middle east peace.

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      52 minutes ago

      A lot of people like me are just non-americans looking at you people with disgust, Mr. “both-side-are-genocide-anyway”

    • Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      We must always vote for the lesser evil because that’s what the real world is

      Ah, the world is always things getting more evil, the choice is just slower or faster? Sounds shit to me, you can have it.

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      You come off as someone who had the protocols of the elders of Zion read to you in your sleep every night without your knowledge

      In really it’s probably a mix that totals to around 90% of the people making these pronouncements are either bots, paid trolls from enemy nations, nihilists, or the equivalent.

      All you’re missing is that one magic word

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        Whereas, and forgive me if I’m mistakenly assuming you’re advocating not voting for Harris, your worldview is just defeating. Every candidate but Harris will ensure that Palestinian suffering increases. Not voting will deny Harris a vote, therefore necessarily increase the odds of someone else winning and Palestinian suffering increasing. Palestinians are saying to vote for Harris. Votjng for a third party (all choices there, by the way, either actively endorse Trump (RFK Jr.) or are funded by Russia (Stein) so supports the genocide of Ukrainians) remove a vote for Harris and increase the odds of Palestinian suffering increasing. There is no scenario where if you’re an American citizen you can be a neutral bystander.

        At this point, if you don’t vote for Harris, you’re voting for ethnic cleansing and genocide, quite possibly at home as well as abroad.

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        I’m torn on how to approach this, i’m left with a couple of options:

        A) so Trump would somehow be even less self defeating?

        B) are you suggesting we should all spontaneously rise up and overthrow the military industrial complex?

        C) if you think this world view is self defeating then:

        C.1) you owe some clarifying thoughts as to how you see a measured response to the existing democratic systems as self defeating

        C.2) you appear to be making yourself out as someone who idealizes violence and oppression

        C.3) you appear to be using contrarian language with the explicit purpose of dragging down the mood of the conversation. Quit that shit