The Democrats run the FBI, they run the DOJ and command an army of USAs, and they run the federal prison system which includes a little spot at the tip of an island off the coast of Florida that the SCOTUS has already said you can stuff people indefinitely without even pressing charges.
Dems have had no problem exerting Unitary Executive Privilege, exercising powers under the Patriot Act, and going over the heads of the courts dating back to the Obama administration (and straight back to the Jefferson administration if we’re counting honestly). Trump’s repeatedly delayed trials, his repeated exemption from lockup as a flight risk, his repeated violation of court orders that suffer no reprisal (the man broke a gag order during the Storm Daniels trial no less than ten times without spending a minute in jail for contempt), and his continued ability to ignore any election law or criminal liability he finds inconvenient are fully consequences of a derelict current administration.
Think about this because you really haven’t considered it if you think just saying
The argument that you are putting forward boils down to “The SCOTUS said ex-Presidents can do crimes, so there’s nothing the current President can do”. It presumes enormous amounts of authority held by the SCOTUS and no authority enjoyed by the executive branch. Anyone who has been following politics inside the last ten minutes knows that’s nonsense.
The question is not a legal capacity to rein in Trump. It is of a willingness by the sitting administrators. Biden’s government has been so conflict averse and so cowardly in confronting his political opposition that he is going to hand the presidency to Trump in the same way Clinton handed the presidency to Bush Jr twenty-four years ago.
How do the democrats go outside of the systems granted to them by current norms and traditions, without appearing to be the very things they are defending against?
How do the democrats go outside of the systems granted to them by current norms and traditions
The same way they’ve always done it.
Democrats only abide by Norms and Traditions for the wealthy and privileged. They are perfectly happy to endorse police brutality, indefinite detention, flagrant violations of civil and property rights, and explicit war crimes when the victims of those actions are political outsiders.
Treat Donald Trump like George Floyd. Treat the J6ers like Columbia student protesters. Treat the Russian collaborators in the US like we treated Arabs (long) after 9/11. Treat FOX News like RT. Treat Clarence Thomas like George Santos. Treat Israel like Venezuela and Netanyahu like Nicholas Maduro.
We all know you can. We’ve seen the Democrats do it. We watched Obama keep Gitmo open for the full eight years of his presidency and Biden keep it open four years after that. We know all about the FBI doing COINTELPRO on progressive activist groups and environmentalist organizations. We know how the DOJ handled Edward Snowden and Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning and Reality Winner.
Democrats routinely go outside the bounds of the system, particularly when Republicans pave the way for them. Now the question is whether they’re going to defy a SCOTUS in defense of democracy, or whether they’re going to twiddle their thumbs while Rome burns, because carrying water has been declared unconstitutional.
What you’re talking about is wielding government power against a political opponent. These examples are not analogous. Give me a true analogy of democrats going outside of norms and traditions to undermine their political rivals.
What you’re talking about is wielding government power against a political opponent.
Either Democracy Is At Stake or it isn’t. If you’re willing to unleash the full power of the federal government on some anti-war activists and civil rights marchers, but you balk at employing the same methods on billionaire real estate magnets and their financiers, I’m forced to assume it isn’t democracy you’re trying to defend.
Give me a true analogy of democrats going outside of norms and traditions
Guantanamo Bay is both figuratively and literally outside of US norms and traditions. PRISM is outside our norms and traditions. The illegal arms sales to Israel are outside our norms and traditions. I can keep going.
The Democrats run the FBI, they run the DOJ and command an army of USAs, and they run the federal prison system which includes a little spot at the tip of an island off the coast of Florida that the SCOTUS has already said you can stuff people indefinitely without even pressing charges.
Dems have had no problem exerting Unitary Executive Privilege, exercising powers under the Patriot Act, and going over the heads of the courts dating back to the Obama administration (and straight back to the Jefferson administration if we’re counting honestly). Trump’s repeatedly delayed trials, his repeated exemption from lockup as a flight risk, his repeated violation of court orders that suffer no reprisal (the man broke a gag order during the Storm Daniels trial no less than ten times without spending a minute in jail for contempt), and his continued ability to ignore any election law or criminal liability he finds inconvenient are fully consequences of a derelict current administration.
The argument that you are putting forward boils down to “The SCOTUS said ex-Presidents can do crimes, so there’s nothing the current President can do”. It presumes enormous amounts of authority held by the SCOTUS and no authority enjoyed by the executive branch. Anyone who has been following politics inside the last ten minutes knows that’s nonsense.
The question is not a legal capacity to rein in Trump. It is of a willingness by the sitting administrators. Biden’s government has been so conflict averse and so cowardly in confronting his political opposition that he is going to hand the presidency to Trump in the same way Clinton handed the presidency to Bush Jr twenty-four years ago.
I’ll ask again.
How do the democrats go outside of the systems granted to them by current norms and traditions, without appearing to be the very things they are defending against?
The same way they’ve always done it.
Democrats only abide by Norms and Traditions for the wealthy and privileged. They are perfectly happy to endorse police brutality, indefinite detention, flagrant violations of civil and property rights, and explicit war crimes when the victims of those actions are political outsiders.
Treat Donald Trump like George Floyd. Treat the J6ers like Columbia student protesters. Treat the Russian collaborators in the US like we treated Arabs (long) after 9/11. Treat FOX News like RT. Treat Clarence Thomas like George Santos. Treat Israel like Venezuela and Netanyahu like Nicholas Maduro.
We all know you can. We’ve seen the Democrats do it. We watched Obama keep Gitmo open for the full eight years of his presidency and Biden keep it open four years after that. We know all about the FBI doing COINTELPRO on progressive activist groups and environmentalist organizations. We know how the DOJ handled Edward Snowden and Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning and Reality Winner.
Democrats routinely go outside the bounds of the system, particularly when Republicans pave the way for them. Now the question is whether they’re going to defy a SCOTUS in defense of democracy, or whether they’re going to twiddle their thumbs while Rome burns, because carrying water has been declared unconstitutional.
What you’re talking about is wielding government power against a political opponent. These examples are not analogous. Give me a true analogy of democrats going outside of norms and traditions to undermine their political rivals.
Either Democracy Is At Stake or it isn’t. If you’re willing to unleash the full power of the federal government on some anti-war activists and civil rights marchers, but you balk at employing the same methods on billionaire real estate magnets and their financiers, I’m forced to assume it isn’t democracy you’re trying to defend.
Guantanamo Bay is both figuratively and literally outside of US norms and traditions. PRISM is outside our norms and traditions. The illegal arms sales to Israel are outside our norms and traditions. I can keep going.
Lol, cutting off the last half of that sentence when it’s right fucking there is hilarious.
Can’t take you seriously, sorry. Shape up, maybe someday you’ll have a fully developed mind.