As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

Edit 2: This blew up, it’s a little overwhelming right now but I do intent on replying to everybody that took the time to comment. Just need to get in the right headspace.

  • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
    155·
    6 days ago

    Just because you can’t stop something doesn’t mean you have to participate in it. But if you wanted to do something about it: these weapons come from this country and they have to get there in trucks traveling on roads to ports that load them on ships. And it’s not like there’s not a value to making genocide come with electoral consequences…

    • TheDoozer@lemmy.world
      510·
      6 days ago

      But if you wanted to do something about it: these weapons come from this country and they have to get there in trucks traveling on roads to ports that load them on ships.

      We are discussing voting, though. That’s a bit tangential, because you can vote or not vote and still commit acts of… resistance…

      And it’s not like there’s not a value to making genocide come with electoral consequences…

      If you otherwise would have voted Dem against the Republicans, who are as bad or worse when it comes to the specific issue you’re punishing the Dems for, you are hurting one group committing genocide by helping one who commits and wants to commit even more genocide.

      All under the mistaken belief that by refusing to vote for the group you would otherwise vote for, you will get them to move Left. But if the Dems lose to the VERY right wing party, if the voting shows that Americans favor more right-leaning policies, they would move to gain the votes of the people who actually voted.

      The reality is, refusing to vote is still a choice. As long as you are an adult who can legally vote in the US election, you are partly responsible for the results of the election. You don’t get to wash your hands of it. Choosing to abstain because you don’t want to partipate out of moral self-righteousness is saying your soapbox is more important than the lives affected by your choices, from the Palestinians to the Ukrainians, immigrants to LGBTQ. Nobody is more important than your ability to say “I didn’t vote for a party that commit genocide.”

      • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
        105·
        6 days ago

        All under the mistaken belief that by refusing to vote for the group you would otherwise vote for, you will get them to move Left.

        Don’t project your dumb shit on me

        The reality is, refusing to vote is still a choice.

        wooooooooow no shiiiiiiiiiit

        You mean I’m exercising agency right now? You don’t saaaaaaaayyyyyyy.

        Choosing to abstain because you don’t want to partipate out of moral self-righteousness

        Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. “Virtue signalling” you say?

        You’re a nazi. You’re giving material support to the perpetrators of a genocide. You’re trash. Diminishing basic morality as a vice just like any other fucking 8chan fascist. Trash.

        Smirking fucking nazi invoking “the lives affected by your choices” and “washing your hands” like the worst crime in history isn’t hanging behind you as you say that shit.

        You’re fucking trash.

        • Count042@lemmy.ml
          51·
          5 days ago

          TheDoozer@lemmy.world is not a Nazi, silly. They’re a liberal, and liberals are good, dontcha know?

          Because morality is defined by what you believe, not your actions, so of course they’re good. Actively participating in a genocide doesn’t make them evil because they believe the right things.

      • Count042@lemmy.ml
        52·
        5 days ago

        You can chose not to vote for a party actively committing the literal worst crime in the world.

        • verdigris@lemmy.ml
          13·
          5 days ago

          No you can’t. Because we live under a system where one of them is going to be in power after the election, and every possible voter shares equal responsibility in the outcome.

          • Count042@lemmy.ml
            3·
            5 days ago

            We either live in a democracy where all votes matter, or we live in an oligarchy where we get to choose from choices presented to us.

            Did you vote for Harris in the primary?

            Was Biden illegally the only candidate on the ballot in some States where there were other contenders in the primary that met the requirements to be on the ballot?

            I’m not morally responsible for things outside of my control in the same way as I’m not responsible for the sins of my father.

            You want to try and make an argument that shove responsibility for a genocide that you’re fine with being complicit in, you’re going to need more than 2 sentences.