My community is a hub of Arab and Muslim America. Kamala Harris’s stance on the Middle East has left us hurt and angry, says community organiser Mona Mawari

These are people who would have never, ever voted for Trump, but billions of dollars are being spent by the Democrats to slaughter our loved ones and our families. Israel has been decimating south Lebanon, where many of our relatives live, and now this administration is deploying US troops to the Middle East. Not exactly a winning strategy if they actually want our votes.

Some people think of a Trump vote as a protest vote. I have heard arguments being made along the lines of “Trump is not the person who is committing the genocide right now” or “Well, we didn’t have any wars under Trump”. I personally disagree with this, and consider Trump to be a fascist and fearmonger who deeply traumatised our communities during his presidency. He was a hateful leader who slammed the door on refugees by implementing a Muslim ban. While he didn’t start any wars, he did escalate existing wars in the Middle East and vetoed a series of bipartisan bills that aimed at prohibiting arms sales to Saudi Arabia.

  • Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPEnglish
    318·
    20 days ago

    Let us imagine I am being told that I can vote for Party A, which will hasten to support the hostile government of another country to kill my family in (let’s say) 12 months. Or I can vote for Party B, which will put the breaks on so that it happens in 24 months, and they will also keep saying how unacceptable that is.

    Is that really a choice?

      • Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPEnglish
        218·
        20 days ago

        I’m sure it would be to someone who doesn’t care that innocent people are being killed, because that someone is not related to them.

    • treefrog@lemm.ee
      71·
      20 days ago

      I hear you on feeling like the lesser of two wrongs isn’t a choice.

      But, if you had a choice between the two. Would you prefer to poke out an eye or burn a finger?

      Both options being bad doesn’t mean they’re equally bad. And sometimes we really do have to choose between the better of two bad options.

      That’s just life.

        • treefrog@lemm.ee
          21·
          20 days ago

          It’s a trolley problem. Do you vote harris and kill X people? Or vote trump and kill X+X people?

          The trolley will kill people either way. Do you let it lean left and kill some people? Or lean right and kill many more?

          Better analogy?

            • treefrog@lemm.ee
              21·
              20 days ago

              Then why did you post this thread?

              Because like it or not the current political system in the US is a trolley problem. It’s a very binary do we go this way or do we go that way?

              If you have no interest in the problem, then don’t pay attention to US politics and don’t make posts about it.

              • Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPEnglish
                24·
                20 days ago

                As I pointed out previously I think you’re being disingenuous.

                Ah, says the person who takes an extremely simplified hypothetical moral problem that doesn’t tend to occur in real life and then equates that to a complex political system.

                I have no interest in the trolley problem because it’s used by idiots to justify making the world worse. There is no lesson to learn from it, other than “people can rationalise any action”. I’m not having children, I hope your descendants manage to make the world better in your place.

                • treefrog@lemm.ee
                  11·
                  20 days ago

                  I told you I thought you were being disingenuous and now you’re resorting to personal attacks calling me an idiot, and bringing my kid into it.

                  I think that says a lot about your ego. And any political positions you derive from it.

                  Nice conversation, take care.