The social democracies of Northern Europe meet more of the goals of communism than China does.
You know, the parts that actually make life better for people.
It seems to have started to falter, though. The will to keep it going seems to be withering as people are increasingly mocking anyone on welfare without being completely disabled, and thinking about how much nicer their houses and vacations and parties could be if taxes were lower.
I admit that China’s mass infrastructure project impresses me. Unfortunately, their building standards are lacklustre, and the skyscrapers are falling apart.
There are longer videos of their skyscrapers. Such as one where a man can literally dig through the concrete columns
Tbf child labor gucci shoes would still be possible under communism, you just wouldn’t “buy” them technically (though nobody has been able to explain to me how “everything’s just free now” would work. They just say “no more money” and, ok, but then how do we entice people to do things that aren’t fun but are necessary? Usually the answer is “someone will want to clean septic tanks” and I know there’s a couple coprophiliacs out there, but I can’t imagine it’s enough to sustain the septic industry on fetishists alone.)
I believe that once the useless/unproductive jobs are gone, people are free to do what they love to do ( as there is no threat of starvation) , there will be inventions (robots for example) to take care of tasks such as cleaning septic tanks , better designs reducing need for cleaning or even newer tech to do away with septic tanks.
Thing is a ton of people who could be thinking are instead forced to do repetitive labor for a living. While the automated septic cleaning robot probably won’t happen, I’m sure we’ll see waste reduction after allowing them to think instead of just survive
First of all I believe it’d be prudent to invent the slave robots and food replicators first, not just “hope someone invents them now that they’re bored.”
Furthermore I am fairly certain robotics and science-fictional tech would require highly skilled engineers who would have to go to school for it now that they’re “bored.” You can’t just be like “well I’m bored because I’m no longer a plumber I think I’ll invent a time machine.”
Yup. If socialism/communism actually produced innovations like this, all the various socialist economies would have gotten there already. But no, they all basically fell back on capitalism, because it turns out that people are kind of selfish and pitting people against each other in a competitive market tends to work better. It’s not ideal, but most if not all of the innovations have come from capitalist countries…
I still reckon communism will make a resurgence sometime in the future, maybe even in our lifetimes.
alas, tankies will never actually revolt. Too passive, too scared and sensitive. They need trigger words, lol. Can you imagine trying to revolt when they can’t handle certain stimuli?
I suppose none of the ‘isms work , until competition for resources is eradicated. When there is nothing that can be gained from others ( sufficient and equal distribution of resources) , the greed goes away . This transformation needs spiritual (not religious) evolution too.
For all that to happen , population needs to go down (no genocide or wars , just education and birth control. Each married woman to have maximum of 3 children, with a minimum of 7 year gap between each child birth and in around 800 years we can reach population goal of half a billion )
( Earth can support human population of 528 million only, for all flora and fauna are to have equal room for their own progression. And we are currently around 9-9.5 billion)
( Earth can support human population of 528 million only, for all flora and fauna are to have equal room for their own progression. And we are currently around 9-9.5 billion)
When there is nothing that can be gained from others ( sufficient and equal distribution of resources)
This supposes that all “needs” are met, but “wants” are still going to be “wanted” by people thus the greed persists. Sure, I could eat the free bread provided for me by “the state” or “the people” depending on who you ask and that’s technically sufficient for my caloric intake for the day, but I want rye bread, and some rye whiskey to go with it. What I “need” is calories, but what I want is a specific taste.
On that matter, nobody “needs” rye whiskey nor any other alcohol, are those now blacklisted as being for the bourgoise, “you only ‘need’ calories and water блять?” Who gets to define “need” and “want?” If I decide I need alcohol, do I have to ask permision from the комиссар before it gets provided for me instead of just “going to the store,” considering there’s no more stores or money? Do I have to hope I have something in trade wanted by the liquor store owner (considering he doesn’t “need” anything all trades would have to be done in “wants” right? So I’d have to find a liquor store owner (whoops no more owning either, I guess I mean liquor store part owner, or proprietor, maybe hoochmonger) that happens to have the same interests as me and trade something he wants, but then how did I get that to trade in the first place?)
Each married woman to have maximum of 3 children, with a minimum of 7 year gap
If communism is a stateless society, how do you enforce these draconian birth control laws and control those woman’s bodies? How do you force nonmarried women to abort or pill if they want a kid but you say they can’t have one, and how do you enforce a married couple who accidentally gets pregnant before you let them or decides they want more than 3 kids? And should we even do that? I get that the goal is to stem overpopulation (which I’ve been assured is a myth btw, not sure I buy that though), but is it morally correct to police (anyone’s really, but) women’s bodies like that? Frankly I don’t think so.
And let’s say they get married and have a kid by a fairly young “27,” that puts baby #2 at a min of 34 and #3 at a min of 41. If they have trouble conceiving and don’t get #2 for a few years then #3 is getting into sketchy territory, turns out:
A pregnancy after age 35 automatically puts you in the “advanced maternal age” (AMA) category (but many are still successful so don’t be scared!)
Fertility rates trend with the average number of eggs a woman has at any given age. In general, you begin puberty with between 300,000 to 500,000 eggs. This number drops to around 25,000 at age 37 and continues dropping to 1,000 or fewer by age 51. How does this look exactly? Well, the likelihood of becoming pregnant naturally (without medical assistance) after a year of trying is as follows:
<30 years old85percent30 years old75percent35 years old66percent40 years old44percent
Even if you have a lot of eggs and you’re in your 20s or early 30s, your chance of getting pregnant in any given month is 1 out of 4, according to ACOG. By the time you reach 40, only 1 in 10 women will get pregnant each cycle.
It’s entirely possible to get pregnant up until menopause but it is increasingly unlikely, so a woman who wants 3 kids would really have to start younger than their mid 20s (and many do, but they’re commonly accidents.) However with women not just being wombs and dishwashers anymore many choose to focus on a career at first and get to the babymaking later, meaning they’re having #1 later:
Women in the U.S. are more likely to delay motherhood now, compared to decades past, according to The Centers For Disease Control and Prevention. More than two decades ago the average age of a first-time mother was 24.9. Now, the average woman or birthing person is having their first child at 27.5 - a record high in the country.
Oddly this ends up being somewhat racist in that it affects specific POC more than the rest of the population, too:
Asian women and Pacific Islander women have the highest average age of first-time mothers, compared to all other races, according to CDC data. American Indian and Alaska Native women have the lowest average age of first-time mothers at 23 and 24, respectively.
When there is nothing that can be gained from others
That will always exist. If everyone has enough resources, we’ll compete for other stuff like status symbols. That’s just how human nature is, we’re never content and always want to progress relative to those around us.
And no, human population doesn’t need to go down. Every time we get to some number scientists pick for a maximum, we blow past it and figure out how to sustain the new population. I don’t see any reason for that to change, we’re remarkably good at solving problems we create, though frequently later than is comfortable. I don’t know where you’re pulling that 528 million figure from…
Realistically, the tanks will be cleaned because the city smells awful and someone will have to clean it. We already have volunteer organizations in the present day despite the system.
you know i’m beginning to think china might not be very communist.
All Chinese companies are owned by the Chinese government. It’s still a centralized economy.
Yeah, like they said, not communist: state capitalist.
People really don’t understand what communism is.
Yeah, China’s not communist at all
State capitalism is effectively communism.
It’s effectively Bezos,Gates,Musk and Zuck forming a government
Yup, still a centralized economy
That’s fantastic. Someone should tell Hexbear we can get to communism by simply giving billionaires all the remaining money.
Historically that’s pretty accurate
And not a communist one.
The means of production belong to the government which belongs to muskrat, et cetera.
You understand the transitive property of ownership, yes?
The people exist only to buy from the government owned corporations.
Like i said, people really don’t understand what communism is. They fill in the bits they dont know with any old crap that comes into their heads.
What’s your take?
On what?
Communism
Theres a wiki for that. Want a link?
Yeah, no. Not even close.
What, not enough murdered gay people for your liking?
? We were having a polite discussion about economics, why bring social policy into it?
This cognitive dissonance is effectively stupid.
The social democracies of Northern Europe meet more of the goals of communism than China does.
You know, the parts that actually make life better for people.
It seems to have started to falter, though. The will to keep it going seems to be withering as people are increasingly mocking anyone on welfare without being completely disabled, and thinking about how much nicer their houses and vacations and parties could be if taxes were lower.
I admit that China’s mass infrastructure project impresses me. Unfortunately, their building standards are lacklustre, and the skyscrapers are falling apart.
There are longer videos of their skyscrapers. Such as one where a man can literally dig through the concrete columns
WELL THATS ALRIGHT THEN
wanna buy some child-labour gucci shoes?
Tbf child labor gucci shoes would still be possible under communism, you just wouldn’t “buy” them technically (though nobody has been able to explain to me how “everything’s just free now” would work. They just say “no more money” and, ok, but then how do we entice people to do things that aren’t fun but are necessary? Usually the answer is “someone will want to clean septic tanks” and I know there’s a couple coprophiliacs out there, but I can’t imagine it’s enough to sustain the septic industry on fetishists alone.)
listen comrade it’s vital for the state that your 5 year old makes gucci shoes
Да товарищ
I believe that once the useless/unproductive jobs are gone, people are free to do what they love to do ( as there is no threat of starvation) , there will be inventions (robots for example) to take care of tasks such as cleaning septic tanks , better designs reducing need for cleaning or even newer tech to do away with septic tanks.
Sounds like a daydream
Thing is a ton of people who could be thinking are instead forced to do repetitive labor for a living. While the automated septic cleaning robot probably won’t happen, I’m sure we’ll see waste reduction after allowing them to think instead of just survive
Yeah. consider how many masterpieces there are just unable to be made.
First of all I believe it’d be prudent to invent the slave robots and food replicators first, not just “hope someone invents them now that they’re bored.”
Furthermore I am fairly certain robotics and science-fictional tech would require highly skilled engineers who would have to go to school for it now that they’re “bored.” You can’t just be like “well I’m bored because I’m no longer a plumber I think I’ll invent a time machine.”
Yup. If socialism/communism actually produced innovations like this, all the various socialist economies would have gotten there already. But no, they all basically fell back on capitalism, because it turns out that people are kind of selfish and pitting people against each other in a competitive market tends to work better. It’s not ideal, but most if not all of the innovations have come from capitalist countries…
I still reckon communism will make a resurgence sometime in the future, maybe even in our lifetimes.
alas, tankies will never actually revolt. Too passive, too scared and sensitive. They need trigger words, lol. Can you imagine trying to revolt when they can’t handle certain stimuli?
I suppose none of the ‘isms work , until competition for resources is eradicated. When there is nothing that can be gained from others ( sufficient and equal distribution of resources) , the greed goes away . This transformation needs spiritual (not religious) evolution too.
For all that to happen , population needs to go down (no genocide or wars , just education and birth control. Each married woman to have maximum of 3 children, with a minimum of 7 year gap between each child birth and in around 800 years we can reach population goal of half a billion )
( Earth can support human population of 528 million only, for all flora and fauna are to have equal room for their own progression. And we are currently around 9-9.5 billion)
This sounds bs
This supposes that all “needs” are met, but “wants” are still going to be “wanted” by people thus the greed persists. Sure, I could eat the free bread provided for me by “the state” or “the people” depending on who you ask and that’s technically sufficient for my caloric intake for the day, but I want rye bread, and some rye whiskey to go with it. What I “need” is calories, but what I want is a specific taste.
On that matter, nobody “needs” rye whiskey nor any other alcohol, are those now blacklisted as being for the bourgoise, “you only ‘need’ calories and water блять?” Who gets to define “need” and “want?” If I decide I need alcohol, do I have to ask permision from the комиссар before it gets provided for me instead of just “going to the store,” considering there’s no more stores or money? Do I have to hope I have something in trade wanted by the liquor store owner (considering he doesn’t “need” anything all trades would have to be done in “wants” right? So I’d have to find a liquor store
owner(whoops no more owning either, I guess I mean liquor store part owner, or proprietor, maybe hoochmonger) that happens to have the same interests as me and trade something he wants, but then how did I get that to trade in the first place?)If communism is a stateless society, how do you enforce these draconian birth control laws and control those woman’s bodies? How do you force nonmarried women to abort or pill if they want a kid but you say they can’t have one, and how do you enforce a married couple who accidentally gets pregnant before you let them or decides they want more than 3 kids? And should we even do that? I get that the goal is to stem overpopulation (which I’ve been assured is a myth btw, not sure I buy that though), but is it morally correct to police (anyone’s really, but) women’s bodies like that? Frankly I don’t think so.
And let’s say they get married and have a kid by a fairly young “27,” that puts baby #2 at a min of 34 and #3 at a min of 41. If they have trouble conceiving and don’t get #2 for a few years then #3 is getting into sketchy territory, turns out:
<30 years old 85 percent 30 years old 75 percent 35 years old 66 percent 40 years old 44 percentIt’s entirely possible to get pregnant up until menopause but it is increasingly unlikely, so a woman who wants 3 kids would really have to start younger than their mid 20s (and many do, but they’re commonly accidents.) However with women not just being wombs and dishwashers anymore many choose to focus on a career at first and get to the babymaking later, meaning they’re having #1 later:
Oddly this ends up being somewhat racist in that it affects specific POC more than the rest of the population, too:
That will always exist. If everyone has enough resources, we’ll compete for other stuff like status symbols. That’s just how human nature is, we’re never content and always want to progress relative to those around us.
And no, human population doesn’t need to go down. Every time we get to some number scientists pick for a maximum, we blow past it and figure out how to sustain the new population. I don’t see any reason for that to change, we’re remarkably good at solving problems we create, though frequently later than is comfortable. I don’t know where you’re pulling that 528 million figure from…
Realistically, the tanks will be cleaned because the city smells awful and someone will have to clean it. We already have volunteer organizations in the present day despite the system.
Because some tasks receive volunteers, any task society needs done will receive volunteers? I don’t think that’s true.
Completely unrelated, but are you (barsquid) the drunken alter ego of FlyingSquid by chance? Lol
Alternate joke: “or are you one GBP owned by a tavern?”
You hope.