Browsing social media, it’s apparent that people are quick to point out problems in the world, but what I see less often are suggestions for how to solve them. At best, I see vague ideas that might solve one issue but introduce new ones, which are rarely addressed.

Simply stopping the bad behaviour rarely is a solution in itself. The world is not that simple. Take something like drug addiction. Telling someone to just stop taking drugs is not a solution.

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    your BBC link actually just relies on poore-nemecek 2018, which abuses LCAs and myopically focuses on distilling other studies into discrete metrics without understanding the system holistically. in short, your claim about the environment may be true, but the source that you use to support it is incapable of providing that support.

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      Okay, link to the academic paper refuting it. Or is your source just a shitty, Z-tier disinformation outlet called “Farmers Against Misinformation”? “your claim about the environment may be true” 💀 Don’t muddy the waters here: it is true. This was the only error noted in the paper, and the erratum correcting it still comports with the authors’ original findings that dairy is abysmal for the environment when compared with the alternatives.

      Is your entire purpose on Lemmy to spread anti-vegan, pro-animal agriculture disinformation?

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        the authors’ original findings that dairy is abysmal for the environment when compared with the alternatives

        cannot be substantiated with the methodology used in this metastudy.

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        link to the academic paper refuting it.

        seems like an appeal to authority, but i encourage you and anyone interested to look into how LCAs were abused, and how much cottonseed is weighed in the water use and land use of dairy milk, despite cotton being grown for textiles.

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          I’m sorry, I’ve read the paper, seen absolutely nothing wrong with it (and seemingly neither have other experts in the field, as I’ve yet to see any peer-reviewed rebuttal of its findings), and definitely trust an expert on food sustainability from Oxford and an agroecology expert from Agroscope as well as their publicly available and well-reasoned findings compared to some rando on the Internet who just whines with zero elaboration that LCAs are “abused” and can’t seem to figure out that they could’ve said all this in one comment instead of four.

          I bet Poore and Nemecek would’ve figured out how to use the “edit” button. (And yes, I did link to the correct article, as the only attempt I could find to debunk this paper was from, again, a disinformation outlet whose lies are explored in that AFP article.)

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            I’ve read the paper, seen absolutely nothing wrong with it

            I’ve read it too, and enough of it’s references to understand that LCAs are not transferable between studies, and so all the LCA analysis must be disregarded.

            I also have looked at enough of the source LCA data to understand that much of the water and land use (and GHG emissions) attributed to animal agriculture is actually a conservation of those same resources, as they come from second-and- third uses of crops.

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            your attack on my style does not address the substance of my objections. it is pure sophistry.

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            the only attempt I could find to debunk this paper was from, again, a disinformation outlet whose lies are explored in that AFP article

            their objection had nothing to do with mine

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        Is your entire purpose on Lemmy to spread anti-vegan, pro-animal agriculture disinformation?

        this reads like pigeonholing. my “purpose” is to keep conversations honest and challenge bad science and reasoning.

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        Or is your source just a shitty, Z-tier disinformation outlet called “Farmers Against Misinformation”

        your link doesn’t seem to align with anything i’ve said. are you sure you used the right link?