fight back for their own humanity and human rights
If only that was what they were fighting for.
When peaceful resistance is made impossible, violent revolution is inevitable
Hasn’t been made impossible, just costly. Still less costly than resorting to terrorism. What is the body count now? More or less than projected when Hamas was deciding to 10/7? Any closer to victory? Let me know when reality sinks in.
That is exactly what they are fighting for. Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, because it is a Settler Colonialist Ethnostate founded on, and ever continuing, ethnic cleansing. Apartheid is the reality.
Settlements
Israel does justify the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
State violence – official and otherwise – is part and parcel of Israel’s apartheid regime, which aims to create a Jewish-only space between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The regime treats land as a resource designed to serve the Jewish public, and accordingly uses it almost exclusively to develop and expand existing Jewish residential communities and to build new ones. At the same time, the regime fragments Palestinian space, dispossesses Palestinians of their land and relegates them to living in small, over-populated enclaves.
The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.
The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
During the current war, Hamas officials have said that the group does not want to return to ruling Gaza and that it advocates for forming a government of technocrats to be agreed upon by the various Palestinian factions. That government would then prepare for elections in Gaza and the West Bank, with the intention of forming a unified government.
No, it’s not. Let’s imagine a future world where to settle the conflict Israel agrees to withdraw to the green line, endorse a fully UN recognized and supported independent Palestinian nation, pay reparations to Palestine, aid in its rebuilding if permitted, and sign a 100 year peace treaty with all adjacent nations. Accepting this hypothetical, would Israel be safe? Why or why not?
I mean I’m not sure why you only value Israeli security in this arrangement, but presumably yes they would be. At least nobody would be launching rocket attacks.
Withdrawing to the Green Line is impossible now with the settlements dividing the West Bank into hundreds of isolated enclaves. You cannot forcibly displace the over half a million settlers.
This is exactly why multiple Israeli Historians have discussed how the realities of the Apartheid and Settlements have made any actual Two-State solution not viable. If you read any of those three links, they discuss exactly that.
Zionism, with its Settler Colonialism for an Ethnostate, is incompatible with coexistance and equality.
You’re avoiding the reality of the situation. I don’t support the existence of any Ethnostate. In a Secular Bi-National One State, yes. You’re underlying assumption that all this violent resistance comes from Antisemitism instead of Anti-zionism, is wrong.
Israel has only ever responded to peaceful protests with lethal violence
When peaceful resistance is made impossible, violent revolution is inevitable
You can’t expect people subjected to systematic violence and dehumanization for generations to not fight back for their own humanity and human rights
If only that was what they were fighting for.
Hasn’t been made impossible, just costly. Still less costly than resorting to terrorism. What is the body count now? More or less than projected when Hamas was deciding to 10/7? Any closer to victory? Let me know when reality sinks in.
That is exactly what they are fighting for. Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, because it is a Settler Colonialist Ethnostate founded on, and ever continuing, ethnic cleansing. Apartheid is the reality.
Settlements
Israel does justify the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
One or Two State Solution
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
No, it’s not. Let’s imagine a future world where to settle the conflict Israel agrees to withdraw to the green line, endorse a fully UN recognized and supported independent Palestinian nation, pay reparations to Palestine, aid in its rebuilding if permitted, and sign a 100 year peace treaty with all adjacent nations. Accepting this hypothetical, would Israel be safe? Why or why not?
I mean I’m not sure why you only value Israeli security in this arrangement, but presumably yes they would be. At least nobody would be launching rocket attacks.
Withdrawing to the Green Line is impossible now with the settlements dividing the West Bank into hundreds of isolated enclaves. You cannot forcibly displace the over half a million settlers.
This is exactly why multiple Israeli Historians have discussed how the realities of the Apartheid and Settlements have made any actual Two-State solution not viable. If you read any of those three links, they discuss exactly that.
Zionism, with its Settler Colonialism for an Ethnostate, is incompatible with coexistance and equality.
You’re avoiding the question. Assume it is possible.
You’re avoiding the reality of the situation. I don’t support the existence of any Ethnostate. In a Secular Bi-National One State, yes. You’re underlying assumption that all this violent resistance comes from Antisemitism instead of Anti-zionism, is wrong.
So wrong you still know it is the issue without me saying anything. Nice try though.
It’s very obvious what you are trying to get at. That doesn’t make it the reality.
Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized (see 29:01) by Zionism during its history.