I hope you vote for the candidate whom you feel best represents you and the interests you prioritize. I hope your interests and your morals come from a place of clarity that isn’t clouded by biased content designed to manipulate you.
Not voting or voting third party for POTUS does nothing. It’s just pure vanity. Do what you want, I’m not really trying to change your mind, but it’s a virtually pointless move that doesnt make any sense under the current way we do things.
Not voting or voting third party for POTUS does nothing.
While that’s a popular and oft-repeated opinion, it’s heterodox among academic historians.
"Let a third party once demonstrate that votes are to be made by adopting a certain demand, then one of the other parties can be trusted to absorb it. Ultimately, if the demand has merit, it will probably be translated into law or practice by the major party that has taken it up…The chronic supporter of third party tickets need not worry, therefore, when he is told, as he surely will be told, that he is “throwing away his vote.” [A] glance through American history would seem to indicate that his kind of vote is after all probably he most powerful vote that has ever been cast."
John D. Hicks, Professor Emeritus of American history at Berkeley
When one of the two major parties becomes tired of losing elections, they adopt policies from a third party to attract their voters.
The impact of third parties on American politics extends far beyond their capacity to attract votes. Minor parties, historically, have been a source of important policy innovations. Women’s suffrage, the graduated income tax, and the direct election of senators, to name a few, were all issues that third parties espoused first.
So, it didn’t solve the problem? I’m not sure what you’re driving at here. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be multiple parties, I’m saying the vote during our presidential election, under our current system, is a strategic one, not one to throw away on a third party.
The point that the American historians quoted above are making is that if you enjoy certain policies, like being able to vote for senators, women’s rights, or progressive taxation, thank a third party voter.
I think I’m a bit confused, is there a radio button to fill in on the ballot that says "protest " and then when all votes are counted, we can see a report that says x for dude, y for other dude, and z for protest?
Yes, fairly close to that. 3rd party votes, uncommitted, and no-votes are all tracked, and people studying the (lack of) interest in the candidates take note.
Unfortunately, a protest vote is a vote for Trump in our two party system. And Trump has said he wants Israel to be more aggressive and “end the war”. And any Palestinian Americans should fear Project 2025 calls for rounding up anyone they think is an “illegal”, or Muslim, or any non-white and wanting to put these people into death camps awaiting deportation. Although many on the right want to just execute everyone.
Anyways, you can hold your nose and vote for the Dem candidate, or you’ve voted for the death of those who you are trying to protect and so many more minorities.
Believe it or not, I’m familiar with the most common liberal point of view, but thanks for summarizing. Would you also say this is the most important election of our lives?
How do you rationalize knowing the outcome you’d be voting for, and then staying that course? I understand taking a stand, and wanting change, but voting in a way counter to any of that becoming a possibility doesn’t grok for me. Biden is 81 and is nearing the end of his time here on earth, so empowering the guy that is going to encourage more of the same abroad, and also open death camps for non-whites in the US isn’t going to signal anything to him or the party.
I’m still not voting Biden
I hope you vote for the candidate whom you feel best represents you and the interests you prioritize. I hope your interests and your morals come from a place of clarity that isn’t clouded by biased content designed to manipulate you.
Thanks. The president’s genocide and lies, as well as liberal media’s lies and genocide support, has given me moral clarity.
Doing everything you can to get more lies and more genocide will surely give you the moral high ground you’re looking for.
The one positive of a Trump presidency is that liberals will be allowed to come out against the genocide.
hey lemmy.ml. Go figure.
Hasn’t .world banned a bunch of left-wing hosts? Are you proud of that or something?
🤔 Trump sure won’t do that
That’s great to hear.
Trump thanks you for your service.
Oh? That’s odd, I’m not voting for him either.
Not voting or voting third party for POTUS does nothing. It’s just pure vanity. Do what you want, I’m not really trying to change your mind, but it’s a virtually pointless move that doesnt make any sense under the current way we do things.
While that’s a popular and oft-repeated opinion, it’s heterodox among academic historians.
"Let a third party once demonstrate that votes are to be made by adopting a certain demand, then one of the other parties can be trusted to absorb it. Ultimately, if the demand has merit, it will probably be translated into law or practice by the major party that has taken it up…The chronic supporter of third party tickets need not worry, therefore, when he is told, as he surely will be told, that he is “throwing away his vote.” [A] glance through American history would seem to indicate that his kind of vote is after all probably he most powerful vote that has ever been cast."
Except we have 2 parties still. How did voting third party in the past solve that problem? Proof is in the pudding.
When one of the two major parties becomes tired of losing elections, they adopt policies from a third party to attract their voters.
So, it didn’t solve the problem? I’m not sure what you’re driving at here. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be multiple parties, I’m saying the vote during our presidential election, under our current system, is a strategic one, not one to throw away on a third party.
It’s solved many problems.
The point that the American historians quoted above are making is that if you enjoy certain policies, like being able to vote for senators, women’s rights, or progressive taxation, thank a third party voter.
Throwing your support behind the ‘teen wolf’ are ya?
Nope. No good options.
You may have done so already but you may want to see if the PSL is on the ballot where you are.
Yeah they’re on but if I’m protest voting I’ll be doing it in solidarity with Palestinian groups, which I’m assuming will be similar to primaries.
How are protest votes counted?
Like any other vote, by machine or hand depending on where you live.
I think I’m a bit confused, is there a radio button to fill in on the ballot that says "protest " and then when all votes are counted, we can see a report that says x for dude, y for other dude, and z for protest?
Yes, fairly close to that. 3rd party votes, uncommitted, and no-votes are all tracked, and people studying the (lack of) interest in the candidates take note.
Unfortunately, a protest vote is a vote for Trump in our two party system. And Trump has said he wants Israel to be more aggressive and “end the war”. And any Palestinian Americans should fear Project 2025 calls for rounding up anyone they think is an “illegal”, or Muslim, or any non-white and wanting to put these people into death camps awaiting deportation. Although many on the right want to just execute everyone.
Anyways, you can hold your nose and vote for the Dem candidate, or you’ve voted for the death of those who you are trying to protect and so many more minorities.
Believe it or not, I’m familiar with the most common liberal point of view, but thanks for summarizing. Would you also say this is the most important election of our lives?
How do you rationalize knowing the outcome you’d be voting for, and then staying that course? I understand taking a stand, and wanting change, but voting in a way counter to any of that becoming a possibility doesn’t grok for me. Biden is 81 and is nearing the end of his time here on earth, so empowering the guy that is going to encourage more of the same abroad, and also open death camps for non-whites in the US isn’t going to signal anything to him or the party.
I rationalize it by listening to Palestinians and their local advocacy groups. Nobody knows better than the victims.
If they see one candidate as better than another, they’ll endorse.