• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      FUCK NYT

      Is there a reason other than them criticizing Biden?

      Edit:

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_election_endorsements_made_by_The_New_York_Times

      They’ve endorsed a Dem every election back to 1956…

      But pointing out the obvious that 81 is old and Biden acts his age and suddenly it’s all “FUCK NYT” because moderates act just like trumpets.

      100% loyalty is permanently required, anything less and they never knew ya.

      Fucking cultists really want to make the Dem party just like the Republican.

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          2 months ago

          What?

          I asked one question, which is literally “why”…

          Is there a reason other than them criticizing Biden?

          Which hasn’t gotten any response…

          Then I went back in edited in how long and steadfast the NYT’s endorsement of Dems have been.

          And commented on how concerning it was that all it took was recognizing reality for Biden supporters to start acting like trump supporters.

          It’s bad enough when 1 of 2 parties act like that. When they both do were all fucked.

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          2 months ago

          You may have done so already but you may want to see if the PSL is on the ballot where you are.

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            2 months ago

            Yeah they’re on but if I’m protest voting I’ll be doing it in solidarity with Palestinian groups, which I’m assuming will be similar to primaries.

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                2 months ago

                Like any other vote, by machine or hand depending on where you live.

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                  2 months ago

                  I think I’m a bit confused, is there a radio button to fill in on the ballot that says "protest " and then when all votes are counted, we can see a report that says x for dude, y for other dude, and z for protest?

            • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)@badatbeing.social
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              2 months ago

              Unfortunately, a protest vote is a vote for Trump in our two party system. And Trump has said he wants Israel to be more aggressive and “end the war”. And any Palestinian Americans should fear Project 2025 calls for rounding up anyone they think is an “illegal”, or Muslim, or any non-white and wanting to put these people into death camps awaiting deportation. Although many on the right want to just execute everyone.

              Anyways, you can hold your nose and vote for the Dem candidate, or you’ve voted for the death of those who you are trying to protect and so many more minorities.

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                2 months ago

                Believe it or not, I’m familiar with the most common liberal point of view, but thanks for summarizing. Would you also say this is the most important election of our lives?

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                  How do you rationalize knowing the outcome you’d be voting for, and then staying that course? I understand taking a stand, and wanting change, but voting in a way counter to any of that becoming a possibility doesn’t grok for me. Biden is 81 and is nearing the end of his time here on earth, so empowering the guy that is going to encourage more of the same abroad, and also open death camps for non-whites in the US isn’t going to signal anything to him or the party.

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          2 months ago

          Not voting or voting third party for POTUS does nothing. It’s just pure vanity. Do what you want, I’m not really trying to change your mind, but it’s a virtually pointless move that doesnt make any sense under the current way we do things.

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            2 months ago

            Not voting or voting third party for POTUS does nothing.

            While that’s a popular and oft-repeated opinion, it’s heterodox among academic historians.

            "Let a third party once demonstrate that votes are to be made by adopting a certain demand, then one of the other parties can be trusted to absorb it. Ultimately, if the demand has merit, it will probably be translated into law or practice by the major party that has taken it up…The chronic supporter of third party tickets need not worry, therefore, when he is told, as he surely will be told, that he is “throwing away his vote.” [A] glance through American history would seem to indicate that his kind of vote is after all probably he most powerful vote that has ever been cast."

            • John D. Hicks, Professor Emeritus of American history at Berkeley
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              Except we have 2 parties still. How did voting third party in the past solve that problem? Proof is in the pudding.

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                When one of the two major parties becomes tired of losing elections, they adopt policies from a third party to attract their voters.

                The impact of third parties on American politics extends far beyond their capacity to attract votes. Minor parties, historically, have been a source of important policy innovations. Women’s suffrage, the graduated income tax, and the direct election of senators, to name a few, were all issues that third parties espoused first.

                • Rosenstone, Behr and Lazarus
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                  2 months ago

                  So, it didn’t solve the problem? I’m not sure what you’re driving at here. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be multiple parties, I’m saying the vote during our presidential election, under our current system, is a strategic one, not one to throw away on a third party.

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      2 months ago

      I hope you vote for the candidate whom you feel best represents you and the interests you prioritize. I hope your interests and your morals come from a place of clarity that isn’t clouded by biased content designed to manipulate you.