Nearly two-thirds of Democrats say President Joe Biden should withdraw from the presidential race and let his party nominate a different candidate, according to a new poll, sharply undercutting his post-debate claim that “average Democrats” are still with him even if some “big names” are turning on him.
The new survey by the AP-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, conducted as Biden works to salvage his candidacy two weeks after his debate flop, also found that only about 3 in 10 Democrats are extremely or very confident that he has the mental capability to serve effectively as president, down slightly from 40% in an AP-NORC poll in February.
The findings underscore the challenges the 81-year-old president faces as he tries to silence calls from within his own party to leave the race and tries to convince Democrats that he’s the best candidate to defeat Donald Trump. The poll was conducted mostly before Saturday’s assassination attempt on Trump at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania. It’s unclear whether the shooting influenced people’s views of Biden, but the small number of poll interviews completed after the shooting provided no early indication that his prospects improved.
Never happen.
No they don’t.
They wanted Joe to not run again in the first place, and for the DNC to nominate someone else.
Don’t get me wrong, biden’s administration has done amazing work. We are just so focused on the stupid horse race that we’re not actually picking a leader.
The main difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is then Biden isn’t a raging narcissist. He has surrounded himself with competent people who are quietly doing a great job of running the government.
They wanted Joe to not run again in the first place, and for the DNC to nominate someone else
Nope.
We wanted fair and open primaries were progressive leaning states didn’t have their delegates stolen and every state gets a chance to vote before it’s over rather than 4-5 states handpicked by the DNC because they vote moderate.
That increases turnout in the general.
What happened was undemocratic and depresses turnout helping Republicans
The main difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is then Biden isn’t a raging narcissist
If Biden wasn’t a narcissist he’d put the safety of the country over his own ambition to stay in the White House after it took 36 years to get the big chair.
Biden implemented many progressive ideas, this is why “left” media (owned by billionaires) are actually attacking him.
Even Bernie is for not replacing him.
The whole campaign to replace him feels very astroturfed and is based on the first debate ignoring everything else.
Biden implemented many progressive ideas
Many?
How about top 3 that Biden did?
Not just legislation that he signed, three things that we got because Biden has the big desk and not literally anyone else with a D by their name.
Nope, because most of that is legislation Biden has taken credit for.
How about top 3 that Biden did?
Not just legislation that he signed, three things that we got because Biden has the big desk and not literally anyone else with a D by their name.
If you can find 3 things on that list let me know
If not, you just proved my point, that everything on that list would have happened if it was another Dem in office.
Yeah, I didn’t point it out earlier, but you were already changing goalposts in the prior response.
President is not just signing bills, but also leading Democrats, and negotiates with Republicans to get bills passed. How do you think the bill to help Ukraine passed in April? Johnson just had a change of heart out of nowhere
This is why trump accomplished very little legislatively, he basically doesn’t know about making compromises.
President is not just signing bills, but also leading Democrats negotiated with Republicans to get bills passed
Expect Biden said publicly and repeatedly that even changing a Dems mind would be impossible so trying would be a waste of effort…
Do you disagree with Biden on that?
If so, why do you still want him as president when he thinks your reason for why it should be him is not his job?
CTRL+F “executive order”
- (farming) …executive order directing agencies across the government to promote competition and take on monopolies.
- (pot) … executive order directing the Department of Health and Human Services to conduct a review of all available cannabis science
- (AI) … executive order starts the clock for more than a dozen federal agencies to figure out what the gold standard for “safe, secure and trustworthy” AI handling should be for their own operations
And that’s just the little stuff you didn’t notice – not the big stuff like the SAVE Plan for student debt (also an executive order) or caregiver support.
I guess that is besides the point, which seems to be redefining everything Biden has done as ineligible. I’m guessing you’d say Regan gets no credit for ending the Berlin Wall since HE didn’t tear it down.
So…
Your three examples of Biden accomplishing something…
Is three times he told federal agencies to “look into” things?
No examples of him actually doing anything?
That’s the best you can find?
Quick edit:
Can we skip ahead to where you say no president has power to do anything?
Then I point out how that undermines Biden’s entire campaign and means the only thing that’s important is picking a popular and charismatic candidate and Biden is both historically unpopular and while charismatic for an 81 year old that’s not a very high standard?
Lmao this is what you came up with? Most of these aren’t “progressive” especially when 4-5 are pushing more military or escalating trade wars. Plus are you really trying to say this is a major win
Biden scraps Trump’s paint scheme for Air Force One
Plus producing more oil than ever is on there as well. Like that’s not a win that’s completely counter to helping climate change.
That’s some dumb thinking. You can’t just shut down oil production without first developing alternatives, you would tank the entire economy when you were recovering from a recession caused by the pandemic.
You need to first invest in developing infrastructure, make sure the majority will start using alternative fuel and then you reduce production.
Nowhere in my post did I say he needs to shut down oil production. I understand that’s not feasible. But we don’t need to be increasing it and giving out more permits for drilling than Trump did during his presidency.
Counting that as a win is crazy, that was the point of my response.
This coupled with the tariffs on importing cheap EVs are both clearly not wins for fighting climate change.
And before anyone feels the need to comment like they do on anything critical of Biden, yes trump would be worse. But less bad isn’t going to stop the sea levels from rising.
And this is the difference between democrats and republicans. Even after getting his ass impeached twice, inciting insurrection, getting convicted for rape and felonies - voters and his party are firmly behind Trump.
Whereas Biden must step aside because he stuttered during debate. A lot of people - including those demanding peace in Ukraine and Middle East - are in for a solid pikachu face when they help elect literal Nazi because of these fucking purity tests
purity tests
Please explain how both parties having zero standards for their politicians will result in a net positive for the country.
Like, you know we can just run candidates who meet voters standards rather every four years demanding we throw our standards away. Right?
We’d get more votes, less Republicans in office, and more progress when Dems are in office.
What’s the downside?
Less pro-corproate moderates who disagree with the party platform?
Bullshit. I haven’t spoken to a single person who wants Biden to withdraw. Everybody I’ve spoken to wishes he could, but everybody acknowledges that he’s our best last hope.
It makes bile rise in my mouth, but Harris might be our best hope at this point.
Ain’t no way I’m betting money on the black woman who put away people for weed against the 80 year old white guy who’s forgiving student loan debt right now. Yes, we have to choose between a shit sandwich and a douche. But in this situation, the douche is trying to bring about fascism and the shit sandwich is A little forgetful with names, but has been undeniably killing it with progressive policies.
Man, people don’t give a fuck about past successes and accomplishments. If they did, Trump would never have gained enough swing voters to squeeze out a win in 2016. We have to accept that campaigns are a matter of narratives, and Harris is well-placed as sitting VP to claim credit/association for Biden’s successes while distancing herself from the parts of the narrative that have become disadvantagous.
Ok. If past accomplishments are no measure, then why choose Harris? She has no personality. She’s not charismatic. She’s a dead fish candidate, and has the extra hurdle of being Black and female, which sadly is still a hurdle to overcome.
And if not Harris, then who else has the name recognition at the national scale that could rally the party and undecideds with absolutely zero prior momentum in less than 4 months?
That’s why I don’t support changing course. Stay with Biden, he is our only chance this late in the race. Had he stepped aside from the beginning, we’d have a shot at any of several options had they had enough runway to lay the foundation needed for a fresher face to compete at the national level. But that didn’t happen, so he’s our best chance.
Ok. If past accomplishments are no measure, then why choose Harris?
She’ll retain control of financial assets of the Biden campaign.
She has widespread name recognition.
Nominating her would avoid a lengthy fight over the nomination that could stoke further divisions in the party this late in the election cycle.
She has no personality. She’s not charismatic. She’s a dead fish candidate, and has the extra hurdle of being Black and female, which sadly is still a hurdle to overcome.
The other alternative is Biden, and Biden has lost too much of his party to stay in. If Biden stays in, what do you think the GOP drum will be beating every day from now til election day? “Even his own party don’t believe in him!” And that will sway swing voters.
We have two bad choices, but Harris is the less bad of the two.
I just don’t see it. Harris doesn’t even seem to be popular within the party, or by progressives.
It’s very possible that she has been playing dead fish on purpose to let Biden have the spotlight, as is the role of VP. Maybe she can take the gloves off and rise to the challenge. Maybe.
But I think it’s far more likely she serves as a bland, dry candidate that gets completely steamrolled by theatric behemoth that is the Right’s propaganda entertainment machine. Who, by the way, will have ample ammo on her for being a last second replacement, AND easily reclaim the misogynistic and racist votes that they may have lost who weren’t MAGA zealots.
I just don’t see it. Harris doesn’t even seem to be popular within the party, or by progressives.
She’s not, but she’s still polling at +2 over Biden and Democrats need every point they can get.
I’ll vote for any D, but Biden should fuck off. The only thing that matters right now is to win. Biden’s fucked.
If the only thing that matters is to win, then Biden shouldn’t be the candidate.
That is the gist of my comment, yes.
He heard you!
Beating trump is more important than Joe Biden being president.
Especially when most of his time in office he wouldn’t stop talking about how powerless he is as president and how if anyone thought he could accomplish anything it just meant they’re ignorant.
So like, what’s the benefit of insisting it’s Biden when he’s not who voters want?
It just seems like a terrible risk for zero gain.
If what matters is the House and Senate, then we need a charismatic presidential candidate who helps Dems down ballot.
Biden has been the best president since Carter, and maybe before that.
Actually, he accomplished quite a lot without having control of Congress and 6-3 activist SCOTUS.
And no, Manchin and Sinema didn’t give Democrats control of the Senate in 2021-2022 and changed parties since then.
Trump’s only success with full control of Congress was to pass the horrible tax bill.
Biden’s also extremely successful on the foreign policy. Not only he reunited NATO (Putin attacked Ukraine, because he was convinced there’s no way he can do it), but also got two additional members to join, who historically were neutral.
Biden’s major weakness is that he doesn’t broadcast his successes well and media doesn’t do that either for him. The only time he successfully did mention his accomplishments was during state of the union.
And no, Manchin and Sinema didn’t give Democrats control of the Senate in 2021-2022 and changed parties since then.
You forget that in the 2020 election no one thought we’d get the Senate and all of his campaign promises were made under the assumption that it would be a Republican majority Senate he’d have to get stuff thru.
That’s what Biden signed up for.
Having less Republicans in the Senate wouldn’t make that harder.
So unless your argument is Biden lied from day one, I don’t see how what you’re saying makes anything better.
Or why there’s any benefit to Biden over anyone else.
What point are you trying to make for why keeping Biden is a good idea?
And he still did quite well. I was preemptively responding to people who say Biden had a majority in Congress, that’s why I started with “And no,”
So unless your argument is Biden lied from day one, I don’t see how what you’re saying makes anything better.
And I’m saying he accomplished a lot despite that. Not everyone is as successful, Obama screwed up a single payer even though he had super majority.
And I’m saying he accomplished a lot despite that
And yet, you don’t seem capable of naming three things that Biden accomplished that any Dem Pres wouldn’t have known.
Weird…
