On the one hand, strippers want you to give them your money because that’s why they’re there.
On the other, it’s weird to pretend strippers aren’t real people with feelings who want to like and be liked in turn, just as much as anyone else.
The cynical “Don’t idolize your politicians” line doesn’t teach people to read the tea leaves and pick better leadership. It just teaches them to throw up your hands and assume everyone is the same.
At some level, you need to recognize strippers and politicians alike as complex humans with both material desires and higher ideals.
Recognizing these desires and ideals helps you know who is worth your time and investment.
The cynical “Don’t idolize your politicians” line doesn’t teach people to read the tea leaves and pick better leadership. It just teaches them to throw up your hands and assume everyone is the same.
Saying all politicians are the same just rewards the worst politicians because it means they face no electoral penalty for their failings, and the better ones gain no electoral advantage from not stooping to those lows…
No one should be idolizing politicians. They work for their constituents.
It’s one thing to buy a shirt or a cap, it’s another to make it part of your identity.
Even shirts and caps are questionable. I’ll make an exception for Obama because that was historic and his shit was actually cool.
But all the rest of them, donate if you want, but wearing Harris or Trump in public is just cringe.
No one idolized Harris. Trump is like a Messiah.
K-hive proves you wrong.
A miniscule tiny handful of people doesn’t count. There is a total K-hive number of Maga cult in every big city. Not even in the same ballpark.
So you at least admit it’s a problem on both sides, you’re just blind to scale. You’re better than most Dems this election cycle at least.
It’s not a problem because some small group of people online who are idolizing Kamala Harris aren’t going to turn violent and start a riot if she loses.
Yeah Trump fans didn’t start out that way either.
Yes, they did.
No they didn’t. They weren’t like this ten years ago.
Look, I’m not trying to cause a stink here, I just don’t understand what you’re getting at. Are you implying that the amount of Kamala stans is comparable to the amount of Trump stans? Or are you saying that because you can find at least one zealot for each party, this does technically apply to both parties?
Either you’re sealioning or you’re purposefully misunderstanding, in either case either hope when Harris either loses or proves she’s more right wing than bush, you get deprogrammed and join us again.
Can’t explain, huh?
To be fair, this was the kind of response I was expecting, I was just hoping to at least understand what they were going on about. Had to google sealioning, which is apparently repeatedly asking for proof while feigning politeness. I didn’t ask for proof, I just wanted them to clarify what they were saying and they still thought I was doing it, so I guess I should have been more rude?
“This applies to both sides” How very brave of you to call out the people who drive around with Harris trucks to Harris parties decked out in their Harris jackets and hats, trading AI generated pictures of sexy Harris.
You know, those things that are real and really happen.
Look dingbat, calling Trump and his ilk “weird” is not idolizing their opponents, it’s simply calling a spade a spade. If you’re too cowardly to stand up for what you believe in, don’t think trying to slip in a picture of a kitchen magnet is going to make it any better.
I buy all my Harris nfts with my Soros bucks they put on my vaxxine microchip every month.
So easy to pay bills.
You could take this from the point of view that if people feel they are being attacked on their views they become defensive which makes a change in beliefs impossible.
Do you just want to smear shit on these people, or do you want to affect change?
The world has chosen smear shit.
How very brave of you to call out the people who drive around with Harris trucks to Harris parties decked out in their Harris jackets and hats, trading AI generated pictures of sexy Harris.
KHive really did this shit back in 2020, though.
Also, consider the case of Eric Adams, a man who was constantly self-promoting and a serial liar and grifter, who is now indicted on a litany of charges all stemming from his Style-Over-Substance administrative practice.
calling Trump and his ilk “weird” is not idolizing their opponents, it’s simply calling a spade a spade
Kamala is also a Weird Politician. She talks weird. She believes weird things. She supports weird policies in order to appease a conflicting morass of regional interests. She’s awkward and insincere and frighteningly nationalistic. Because that’s what running for high office requires.
Practically everyone running for high office is. You have to be weird to think you should be President. It’s a weird thing to think. Delusional and megalomaniacal, given the powers of the office and the history of its occupants.
If you’re too cowardly to stand up for what you believe in
If people say what they sincerely believe, they risk saying things that are unpopular. You can’t run in a district of tens of millions of people (as a California AG or Ohio Senator must) and sound remotely unpopular. Your opposition will eat you alive.
So you end up with this phony caricature of a personality, making blith naive statements that only sound good superficially.
You come across as fake and weird because authentic and normal people won’t be popular enough to win an election.
I’m not sure if this is a “both sides” spiel or a “I hate politics because I’m really pretty conservative but know my actual positions are too unpopular to actually advocate in liberal America” take.
I’m not sure if this is a “both sides”
This is a strategy employed by politicians to juice participation in their cohort. Turning the campaign into a consumer brand is not unique to the Republican Party. It’s also not historically very successful.
my actual positions are too unpopular
Candidate One: “If you like ice cream, you can eat it! I’m not here to tell you what to do.”
Candidate Two: “Fresh vegetables are an important part of a diet. We need to make sure everyone has access to good nutrition, which is why the government should spend money to give people broccoli.”
Who has the better policy? Who has the more popular opinion?
Not really. Democrats “idolized” their president so much they basically forced him out of the race for being too old. This applies to one side: Republicans.
He should of never been allowed to run. Most people saw him losing his ability to govern coming.
Who, do you propose, would disallow him to run?
The dnc who made him the only candidate by threatening to withdraw all funding and kick out of the party everyone that was running against him.
The vast majority of sitting presidents run completely unopposed by their own party for re-election to a second term.
I was talking about the first time, though yes we should have had a choice this election as well.
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It is amazing how racist you people are and openly accept being, all because someone with a lot more money than you said a race is bad. In any case I hope you and all conservatives like you understand what you lose when you win.
Not really. I don’t idolize ANY politicians and am happy to criticize even those I vote for when I think they aren’t doing it right. No Dem politician is selling $100k watches etc. because Dems won’t buy them.
You didn’t buy the Biden NFTs?
Apparently, Trump is donating a bridge to all his ultra-platinum preferred choice diamond club voters. If I didn’t dump all my money in Trump’s amazing social media project (some say the best social media company ever), I’d be first up!
Mr. Both sides guy. 🙄
Does it apply to both sides though, really?
No, actually, it doesn’t.
But Return2Ozma hates Democrats so…
“this applies to both sides” -🤓
Kamala is many things (most of them bad), a cult leader isn’t one of them. Im all for dunking on Liberals (im a leftist), but that is just factually untrue.
Go home Ivan or Vlad, whoever you are, you’re drunk.
Man you guys can’t help but prove their point.
You cant help but spout fallacies
They always do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Bernie is idolized on the left for his character, for good reason. And even then, he’s not above scrutiny. When he was investigated for that banking stuff, everyone said “do it”.
… that’s it. That’s all we’ve got on the left.
I don’t like the Bernie love cause it’s hypocrisy. How are we gonna say we want old people out of politics, except OUR old guy. Nah, he’s had his run and anything he could have done by now he would have.
Frankly I don’t have a problem with him but I did have a problem with people pushing him as president, cause I rather win an election, and Bernie can’t win those. He can’t even get the full support of his own party why would I think he’d be a good president?
we should not necessarily want old people out of politics. we should want old policies out of politics, and senile people out of government.
But if an old politician is mentally and physically fit for office, and brings policies in line with the will of the people, they should be allowed to run.
If anything, this election has taught us that we want old people out of office, but only if their name is Joe Biden.
I think people on the left love Bernie because there aren’t a lot of terrible skeletons in his closet. There are still a TON of things that Bernie could do that would make me dislike him and not support him. There is almost nothing Trump could do that would make a Trump supporter dislike him and not support him. That’s the difference.
In other words, admiring someone for their ideals and action is not the same as unconditionally supporting them. No politician deserves the latter.
I get the impression it’s different people making each of these conflicting arguments.
Personally I have no problem with old people being in leadership positions; experience is useful. The problem with the old white men in charge of the USA is that they serve corporations, not that they’re old white men.
I voted for him in both primaries. But that’s why I was entirely fine that he didn’t win. The people chose, and it wasn’t him.
Sees hornets nest
“Heh heh” KICK
But it’s only a problem on one side.
Pretty much yeah. Dudes aren’t festooning their homes and cars with Kamala signs and hats. Blue colored hats haven’t become synonymous with one particular political group in a party either.
It’s a character flaw to idolize anyone.
Sorry, I’ll rephrase for clarity: it’s only happening on one side. I mean c’mon, the Democrats gave up running an incumbent president because he was obviously not up to the job (read: senile). Trump was never up to the job (read: egomaniacal racist sexist idiotic narcissistic wannabe-dictator) but the Republicans practically broke their necks slipping in their own drool running to nominate him for the third fucking time, even though last time he ran he quite literally tried to start a civil war.
Republicans gave up on writing and voting on a party platform because dementia Don can’t decide what he’s for or against, or at least unable to articulate it in any way that isn’t just sane-washing.
They literally don’t stand for anything anymore except whatever his latest ramblings are.
I mean, did he even show up for a single Republican primary debate? I don’t actually know, I get my comedy from podcasts and YouTube videos and stuff.
AOC has a lot of people idolizing her in between all the weirdos sexualizing her
But definitely, the left does that to a lower degree than the cult
Were you not alive a couple months ago when the entirety of dem social media was desperately trying to convince the world a second Biden term was a good idea?
You mean a couple months ago when they begged him to stop running and then he did? Yeah, I remember well. The Democrats gave up an incumbent candidate, historically the biggest possible advantage a political party could have, because they knew he obviously was unfit for the task. It’s almost like they base their decisions on reality and common sense instead of fear-mongering bullshit and xenophobia, interesting…
They waited until practically the last second, and up until that last second you people were hounding every single person that called for Biden to keep his one term promise constantly saying he was firnfr office and obviously wasn’t too old or too ill or too unpopular. You don’t get to rewrite that history.
Did you also not read all the posts leading up to that on how fucked we were with Biden as the candidate? Nobody was idolizing him.
That was the point I was making, thanks.
And those posts were often at the top of the upvotes, so what are you complaining about?
They really weren’t. You’re misremembering again so you’d be on the right side of history, like clinton voters that totally didn’t rally against Sanders voters.
It’s not
How is that idolizing him? That’s being strategic and fighting against Trump winning the election. There wasn’t a massive cult movement of people wearing Biden hats and decorating their pickup trucks with 100s of Biden stickers. Biden doesn’t have a personality cult. A lot of people who voted and would have voted for him don’t actually really like him. Still, they realize the importance of not letting Trump win.
You’re missing the point. Good attempt trying to play “BuT bOtH SiDeS” when it’s the most clear and obvious thing that idolizing a candidate is a largely problem on just one side.
Trump proved his was unfit during his first term, but yet he’s run twice with full support. And I could see him running a third if he fails now.
That’s nice dear, we were talking about Biden. Whabtaboutism is popular amongst you conservatives, I know, but do try to be on track.
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I think that’s more a testament to how unlikeable trump is that people would rather vote for a sentient ham sandwich than that decroded piece of crap.
Idk if he’s firnfr office or if he’s covfefe office and idc. Regardless, he’s not running and no one is idolizing him 🤷♂️ Trying to say anyone on the left is more undeservedly worshipped than Trump is just downright hilarious.
They clearly don’t want to remember that, judging by your downvotes
Because no one was idolizing him, it was worry about who would run instead so late in the process. That isn’t idolizing, that is practicality and concern.
I was one of the people very concerned. I am so very glad to be wrong.
Citation link of Harris worshippers?
Realistically they don’t exist. But it messes with their narrative. They need to feel Superior. So they need to feel that the people who disagree with them must worship her or Trump. Because it certainly couldn’t be that they have bad takes. Or thay people have reasonable things to disagree with them on. They know in their own minds that they are absolutely 100% correct. And if you disagree with them. It doesn’t mean that you have anything about to say or a point. It just means to them that you are wrong.
That literally doesn’t exist. Unlike the Cult of Trump, people appreciate her genuineness, her honesty, her integrity, her intelligence, her warmth… To think that that rises to the level of “worship” is wild.
Agreed! Notice no one is replying with Harris equivalents.
Just count the number of blue “Not Going Back” hats you see! /s
Just count the number of blue “Not Going Back” hats you see! /s
Have you ever encountered the KHive?
Literally, no. No I have not. I’ve never even heard of whatever that is. Some kind of pro-Harris group?
Kamala Harris Has A Vibrant Online Fan Club. But It Also Has A Toxic Side.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-harris-khive-toxic-side_n_5f4fa573c5b69eb5c037473e
Members of the KHive, which one member estimated is made up of 50,000 to 60,000 Twitter accounts
That’s like…nobody. Literally, you can round it to 0.0% of the Democratic Party.
So… no one
So no Harris equivalent?Saying she’s a better choice than Joe or Trump is not idolizing. Take it from me, a coconut pilled internet brained phone banker.
That’s people who back her. I’m pretty sure you can back her and still be critical of some of her choices and actions.
They would never say they’d be ok with her being a dictator for one day. They are in a different universe from maga.
Tbf, some people can have fun and this point that might look like pretending you’re as crazy for her as can be
If I were asked, depending on the context I’d either say I’m coco for coconuts or fuck the DNC. It’s like a only we can talk shit thing because ideally we want them to improve (context: two-party system)
Idk why you’re being downvoted it’s like people forgot about 2016. Although that might just have been bc she was far less popular back then so her more vocal supporters seemed a lot louder
There was no one idolizing Kamala in 2016. She was waaaaaay behind in the primary. Sounds like YOU forgot about 2016.
The K-hive started in 2016 bro I remember it quite well. And I literally said she was far less popular back then. Two sentences in my comment and somehow you still missed one
Those guys are a rounding error.
What’s the misunderstanding here? I didn’t say anything that would even hint that I thought there were “too many” of them back then, or enough to make a difference electorally. Who cares? I just made a comment that Harris isn’t a stranger to idolization. That’s it
It’s a false equivalence. Stop your fucking backpedaling, you know what you were trying to imply.
Go to Twitter, say anything about her extremely right wing record as a senator and AG.
Exactly. Or complain about her at all anywhere, or say you wouldn’t vote for her or trump because of their support for genocide. You’ll have a ton of people jumping down your throat about how not voting for her is a vote for Trump and all this nonsense.
Yeah I mean all you do is make a equivalence between the two and say they are both bad so don’t vote for either and people think you are a fucking moron for thinking that. What gives? So what if the train is going to run over 1 person or 1000 people both are bad so either will do. Have to choose between the flu or AIDS and if you don’t choose you get AIDS? Both are bad so just take the AIDS. It’s simple logic and people have the audacity to think you are a fucking idiot for thinking it. Fuck them man you got this! I believe in you! Now go get you some AIDS!
Sorry for taking a hard line on genocide, you sausage.
I’m sure the affected peoples will thank you for taking a hard stance by checks notes not doing anything.
Well if you can vote to support the murder of children en mass then great for you man. I can’t.
Well I was going to write about how not participating doesnt automatically absolve you of the responsibility of your actions, but according to another one of your comments you don’t even live in America. So kindly, take your opinions and keep them to yourself while those who do live in the place we are having a conversation about try to make something of the terrible situation we are in.
If you’re in the US, you’re either voting for murdering children, or voting for murdering even more children. There’s no other option.
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Just because you cant process the externalities of your decisions doesnt mean other people wont.
Oh fuck off, I’m not even American. I’m not voting in your stupid countries election. Y’all see this shit? See what I mean?
Please piss off back to Russia or whatever country then, because you clearly don’t understand the American electoral system.
You’ll have a ton of people jumping down your throat about how not voting for her is a vote for Trump and all this nonsense
I’m just going to add here, that when I’m indicating this kind of thing what I’m hoping for folks to get out of it is how broken our first past the pole system is.
Because of that system, yeah, 3rd party candidates are tossing your vote away, that’s how the system is created. I didn’t make it, that’s just how it works. It’s also why the hard nationalist group usurped the party of small government. There’s a realization that a realistic third party isn’t possible, especially with how hard the two majority parties prevent 3rd parties from having an equal seat at the table going into elections. So the smarter groups have realized that if you can’t effectively make a 3rd party, just take over an already existing one. You can also see that with socialist and the Democrats intermixing. We keep excusing it by indicating “shades” of a color, like deep blue Democrats, etc.
There’s layers to the “voting 3rd party is tossing you vote away”. You aren’t at fault here for a desire to vote 3rd party, but if the only thing you take away when someone tells you that is “you’re worthless for tossing your vote in the trash” you’re kind of missing the point.
Our system is built a particular way and it’s wrong to pretend it isn’t. That 3rd parties are viable choices or actual reflections of non-mainstream political agenda, they aren’t and our tectonic sized two parties are mostly the reason for that. I’m not going to tell you to vote for whoever, all I ask for anyone is to see the problem and know voting 3rd party isn’t, strictly, going to fix it. If we look at the US State of Maine, you can see, that there is actual change and that we can have it if we demand it, no need for hard bordered in 3rd parties to enact it.
I’m not angry at anyone who says they are voting 3rd party, you do you is my biggest jam. But we’ve got to see the problem before we can address the problem, and then we need to effectively address the problem. Which means, yeah, we are wholly reliant on something that sounds impossible. For one of the two parties to get into power and then vote to make changes that could potentially dilute their power. I know that’s asking for a big leap of faith there, it is possible. But it isn’t possible if we’re just sticking our heads into the sand.
The problem is you guys have been saying this same shit for decades, and things have just gotten worse for it.
One sec, let me just wave my magic wand and solve all this
oh wait, that’s not how it fucking works. if you had anything more than a surface-level understanding of the US government, the voting system, and how grassroots change occurs, you wouldn’t be making yourself look like a moron. it’s not like a large portion of the population doesn’t want change, but your understanding is equal to ‘like and share for thoughts and prayers’, and then you get mad that nothing happens - that’s not how it works. You’re upset with the wrong people about the wrong reasons and expecting a system you don’t understand to do things that it cannot easily do. Then get upset that change - egads - takes time, effort, persuasion, luck. So you come to literally the worst conclusion because of lack of understanding on all levels. Each comment I see here by you shows an obvious lack of understanding on this topic.
alas… I crown you king moron
thanks for your constructive feedback, we’ll get right on it this time.
Well, you guys gave us an actual honest-to-god “we can do something with this” majority for all of a few months in the past 20 years. What the fuck do you expect?
That’s an unfair comparison. On one hand you have the lowest of the low within society, someone willing to compromise any morality they might possess and sell themselves for a paltry sum of money, and on the other hand you have hard working strippers.
Most places will only know of strippers because of us movies, but are still plagued with politicians.
You think other countries don’t have strippers?
Montreal strippers blow anything in the US out of the water.
It’s basically the only thing I can stand that’s connected to those shifty Canadians.
Lots of frenchers on the chien-chaud.
Bernie Sanders is the exception to that rule. Because he does care.
I’d be much more likely to trust a stripper than a politician.
