• polonius-rex@kbin.run
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    2 months ago

    i’m baffled as to what’s going on here

    • if you describe the mechanics of eugenics, people like the idea
    • if you label the mechanics of eugenics as eugenics, people do not like the idea

    versus

    • if you describe the mechanics of marxism, people like the idea
    • if you label the mechanics of marxism as marxism, people do not like the idea
    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      2 months ago

      Your confusion comes from the fact that you assume most people like the mechanics of eugenics. If that’s the sort of crowd you hang out with, then you may be associating with fascists.

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        2 months ago

        but that’s literally what the comment’s saying? and you’re saying "that’s an example of the opposite?

        e.g., there’s a pretty good argument that pre-natal screening is a form of eugenics

        if you describe the mechanics of pre-natal screening to somebody, i suspect most would be in support of that, but wouldn’t be if you described it using the term “eugenics”

        like, if you were to notice that completing tertiary education makes it more difficult for people to have children, and you decided to create some form of government aid to offset that, then oopsie daisy you just did a eugenics, but you could absolutely package that idea in a way that most people would instinctively go “yeah that sounds okay”

        also to preempt pls nobody do the intellectually dishonest thing of pretending me following this line of argument means im in love with eugenics and am here to argue for more eugenics or that i just dont think eugenics is such a bad thing after all thnk u

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          2 months ago

          This is all just semantics and how the word ‘opposite’ can be applied in different ways. I wouldn’t spend too much time on this.

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            2 months ago

            if you want to use the sentiment expressed in this post as an argument for marxism being good, which seems pretty transparent in this case, then that same sentiment being used to justify eugenics isn’t a good thing for said argument

            i’m not that concerned with the precise definition of “opposite”, but i am concerned with whether or not the post’s logic is sound

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                    2 months ago

                    i wouldn’t say you’re working particularly hard given that all you’ve done is issue a blanket “no”, and cowbee seems to be coming at the problem from the angle that i’m secretly the ghost of joseph mccarthy

                    i’ve given you two examples where i think most people would agree with the concepts of eugenics before being told it’s eugenics, and so far nobody’s disagreed with them? what’s your issue? that you don’t think most people would agree with them, or that you don’t think that that fact draws enough of a parallel between eugenics and the post?