• funtrek@discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 months ago

    The problem with c++ is that it allows people to do whatever they want. Turns out: people are dumb. Rust solved that problem. Nothing more, nothing less.

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      2 months ago

      I heavily disagree. C++ has a lot of problems but it’s flexibility is not one of them.

      Imo the biggest problem with C++ is that there are a dozens ways of doing the same thing. The std lib is not general and fast enough for everyone. Therefore it’s not even “standard” .

      I have seen many conferences of a proposed “cpp2” like syntax that breaks abi but imo it’s the best way forward.

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        2 months ago

        Yeah but I have written a lot of Rust and I have yet to use a single unsafe block.

        Saying “but… unsafe!” is like saying Python isn’t memory safe because it has ctypes, or Go isn’t memory safe because of its unsafe package.

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          2 months ago

          You don’t have to use unsafe C++ functions either

          C++ is technically safe if you follow best practices

          The issue, to me, is that people learn older versions of the language first, and aren’t aware of the better ways of doing stuff.

          IMO people should learn the latest C++ version first, and only look at the older types of implementation when they come across them

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            2 months ago

            C++ is technically safe if you follow best practices

            Yeah but it’s virtually impossible to reliably follow best practices. The compiler won’t tell you when you’re invoking UB and there is a lot of potential UB in C++.

            So in practice it is not at all safe.

            • FalconMirage@jlai.lu
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              2 months ago

              I agree

              I was only adding my opinion (that people should try to always use the latest version of C++, which is inherently safer, but still not 100% safe)