• kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Have you forgotten that Iran was once an Israeli ally, or that Israel once held Lebanon as a puppet? Throughout history Israel has backstabbed allies and continuously made its own enemies. Hamas was made in large part due to Israel interference in Gazas politics as was the PLO. Peace was never the goal of Israel, it was always conflict. Whenever the knesset members protest the war theyre called traitors and even beaten up. How many people must die for your dream of a so called Jewish state and for whom would the state truly be for. We can tell by the rise of Kahanism to that the Jewish state is clearly not for all Jews.

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      Have you forgotten that Iran was once an Israeli ally, or that Israel once held Lebanon as a puppet?

      When did Israel “hold” Lebanon?

      Hamas was made in large part due to Israel interference in Gazas politics as was the PLO.

      Were either Hamas or the PLO allies of Israel? If the PLO was the ally of Israel then why did they kill the entire Israeli Olympics team in Munich?

      Peace was never the goal of Israel

      Peace has always been the goal of Israel. The elimination of all Jews has always been the goal of Hezbollah and Hamas and they’ll die for it.

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        Before Hezbollah Israeli money was constantly being pumped into Lebanon. Also once again you’re missing my point, both Hamas and Hezbollah were created to be enemies. Im addition you’re still ignorent to the economics of war and foreign interests. It matters not what Israel wants when its nothing but an extension of the American Empire.

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          Before Hezbollah Israeli money was constantly being pumped into Lebanon.

          You said “hold”, like they were in control of the place.

          Now you’re just saying they invested there.

          Also once again you’re missing my point, both Hamas and Hezbollah were created to be enemies.

          But your point is wrong - they were created to be allies. Allies of Iran, which is who created them. That’s why Hezbollah promotes Shia Islam in Lebanon.

          Im addition you’re still ignorent to the economics of war and foreign interests.

          Waving terms like “war economics” and “foreign interests” without meaning anything by them doesn’t help your argument; Iran faces the same incentives for war against Israel that anyone else would.

          It matters not what Israel wants when its nothing but an extension of the American Empire.

          If Israel is nothing but an American vassal state, the vanguard of our imperial ambitions in the Middle East (lol, who cares about that shithole desert) then why have we placed Israel under arms embargo literally every time they’ve been attacked by Arabs?

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            1. Money is a form of control, if you control a countries economy you effectively control the country.

            2. Hamas received direct Israeli funding

            3. My point is that war economics inherently benefits the American Empire

            4. Israel exists as an outpost for American troops to exhert power in the region. In addition America has sent more money to Israel then every other country. I think it was said best by Joe Biden “If Israel didn’t exist we would have to make one”.

            5. The idea that Israel wants peace is absurd, the people maybe but its clear that the colonial ambitions of the Israeli government will never be satisfied nor its lust for violence. In addition factually speaking Israel is a colonial outpost, early Israeli colonizers openly called themselves colonizers until the term become no longer cool.

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              1. Money is a form of control, if you control a countries economy you effectively control the country.

              Spending money someplace doesn’t “control the economy”, stupid.

              1. Hamas received direct Israeli funding

              No, it did not.

              1. My point is that war economics inherently benefits the American Empire

              Proxy war with Israel directly benefits the Iranian empire.

              Israel exists as an outpost for American troops to exhert power in the region.

              There are fewer US troops stationed in Israel than stationed in Lincoln, Nebraska.

              The idea that Israel wants peace is absurd, the people maybe but its clear that the colonial ambitions of the Israeli government

              There’s no such thing. Israel is not a colony - Palestine is a colony and Arabs are colonizers.

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                1. Economic power is how the American Empire has influence over most of the world and why nearly all trade is done in the dollar
                2. Factually speaking they did
                3. The military industrial complex of the American Empire is greater then any other country
                4. The US is actively sending troops to thr middle east
                5. Early Zionists literally called themselves colonizers and furthermore openly acknowledged what modern Zionist deny

                “Philanthropic colonization is a failure. National colonization will succeed”

                • Theodor Herzl

                "Since I invoke Torah so often, let me state that I don’t personally believe in the God it postulates … I am not religious, nor were the majority of the early builders of Israel believers. Yet their passion for this land stemmed from the Book of Books … [The Bible is] the single most important book in my life. -David Ben-Gurion

                “I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” -David Ben-Gurion

                “Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country.”

                • David Ben-Gurion