- I have a product that I want to sell.
- You don’t like that product.
- I’m at risk of being broke because I don’t sell anything.
- It’s YOUR FAULT because you don’t buy what I sell.
I think that’s not the way it works.
Why don’t you share the way you do think it works?
Unless you don’t know anymore of “how it should work” than the people running the show, despite your wish to appear as you do.
It’s cute 😺
I’m voting blue, and you should too
But if it’s a competition for engagement, why did we have to go with the least engaging candidate possible?
Because the system isn’t fixed yet.
Unfortunately, we have to engage in order to fix it. It won’t just fix itself so that we can participate with a clean
egoconscience.So much this. This is a shitty game, but the only way to fix the game, is to play. Keep voting blue to beat the fascist reds, and in primaries, vote with your heart. A strong voter turnout for both will make the red party irrelevant until they move more to the center, while also pushing blue more left.
Okay… But let’s walk it out… Say turn out is good enough to beat Trump this time… Biden gets in again… What’s the next step? How do we then get him and the Dems to fix the system? Probably not even that hard… Ranked choice, end dark money, end gerrymandering… The rest will likely sort itself out… So what? Do we call our elected reps and say, okay, this time I really mean it, you fix this dumpster fire or else… Else what?
(Just to keep this from getting derailed… I’m voting for Biden and so should everyone, especially in the swing states.)
But I’ve heard this song before… Over and over… Just vote like you’re told to this time, and then we’ll fix the system later… And like clockwork we’re right back here every 4 years… And god forbid anyone ever point out that we did this exact same dance last time, and we got them in, and shocker of all shockers, they didn’t fucking fix anything about the system. Shit, they didn’t even try.
So show me the Democrat’s plan to fix the system. Or I guess it is already “fixed”… How are they going to unfuck it?
Step one is that people need to show up for more than just presidential elections. The only way to move left at a national level is to show the establishment that progressive candidates are winning in local and state races and it’s more than just a couple of them here or there. Get more progressives in the kind of offices that can set them up to be governors and senators - those are the people who generally end up as president. There’s no overnight solution, which is what a lot of people seem to expect.
Buuuut voter turnout in non-presidential election years sucks, and it’s even worse outside of midterms. I don’t know how to solve that part. I’ve voted in every single election I could since I turned 18, and I don’t understand the complete lack of engagement. I know how to solve the things that prevent willing voters from doing it, but I don’t know how we fix apathy.
My source? I made it the fuck up
Is this progressive politics or Blue MAGA math?
Don’t you have a trump to help elect?
I don’t advocate for politicians in favor of Genocide. How about you?
Can’t run an anti-genocide candidates. They’re unelectable.
Running as anti-genocide is no different than running as pro-Trump
The current political crisis is a competition of ideas. Specifically who can spread their ideas the farthest and the fastest. Neo-liberalism is entrenched in our society and because of that fascism is on the rise. People reflexively reject socialism without understanding that the ideas work and would improve our lives.
We need to vote for Biden in 2024, because he is going to be the Democratic nominee. But defeating Trump will not be the end of this problem. Unless we successfully perform a political revolution we are going to be in this same situation with the threat of a fascist take-over every presidential election.
We need wealth redistribution and also systemic change to our political and economic institutions. To do that we do need high voter turnout. We need people to vote for socialists and progressives in 2026 and 2028. To get those votes we need to change minds.
I personally appreciate the sentiment of this meme, because we need to be encouraging voter turnout. But the fascist movement will only grow the longer we stick with neo-liberalism. The more wealth inequality grows the more people who will be susceptible to fascist ideas.
Neoliberalism is causing fascism, therefore we need to vote for Biden, the neo-liberal…
You really managed to miss 3/4 of the argument and still commented.
you are ignoring the gaping contradiction in your argument. it isnt necessary to catch the subtle nuances of an argument that follow from a flawed premise. dont tell me “we gotta vote even harder” doesnt follow from anything said before, i will agree.
“we need to encourage fascism with neoliberalism just a liiiitle while longer, then we totally got this bro” yeah youre right im missing it
No shit
hey in 2026 and 2028, feel free to vote for whoever you want! but this time, it’s too important to give up your vote for the neoliberal enabling fascism, you might get the fascist in office if you do that.
hey in 2022 and 2024, feel free to vote for whoever you want! but this time it’s too important…
hey in 2018 and 2020, feel free to vote for whoever you want! but this time…
ad nauseum
Sure, sure comrade I get it. Say - remind me who the progressive was in 2018, 2020? What laws did they pass?
None? Really. Hm. What about 2016? None again eh. So - what, they’re not very good? Utterly unelectable? Maybe they don’t have corporate money so we just don’t know about them? Ohhhh right - the whole thing is a dark lizard cabal and to get in you have to murder a child and eat them on pizza or something right?
Bernie Fucking Sanders in 2020, and in my state at least, in 2018 it was Beto O’Rourke. Bernie was not unelectable but was cheated by the Democratic neoliberal establishment despite a comfortable majority of voter support, as you will recall. Beto was a victim of a concerted misinformation propaganda campaign by his competitor, and an incompetent pr campaign by his own staff.
How are you gonna tell everyone "Yes, I know the neoliberals keep encouraging fascism, but if you just vote for them, fucking again, then next time, for realzies we can get the person who we actually want, is willing and able to fix things. address this contradiction, please.
I note how you threw in corporate money right next to conspiracy views as if to equivalate the two. Also, as it turns out, there really was dark pedophile cabal, so.
Why is that? Do dems simply have less voter engagement or is this a split on age lines? Really interesting statistics though!
Gerrymandering, voter ID, challenging voter registrations, disenfranchising felons, opposing mail-in voting, anonymous mailers threatening to arrest voters, closing polling stations in Democratic-leaning areas, challenging voters at the polls to gridlock the polling places, making the handing out of water to people waiting to vote (in red states - where it’s hot) illegal.
All the well-known cheating tactics of republiQans. Others are less well known. That’s one of the problems.
Also democrats running shit candidates.
There is no shittier candidate than Trump. The there is MTG, Gaetz, Boebert, and so many others. The shittiest candidates I have ever seen.
That’s a solid ranking. Trump IS worse than Gaetz and MTG.
And he’s damn near as old as Biden. You think he’s not sundowning a little too when he starts rambling about sharks and shit?
how about this, we get 80% of the country, the disenfranchised non-voters and vote for an actually decent third party and destroy them both
Good. I would also like a pony.
is the Democratic strategy for engagement to respond with cynicism and low bars?
Always has been when it’s critical of them
Unlike . . . who
Is that your reasoning for punching left?
No
Excellent rebuttal
If the Republicans win this one, you won’t have to worry about voting ever again.
The funny thing is that I remember this being said about every candidate since Bill Clinton. Dont worry everything is going to be alright.
gestures broadly at the world that has been increasingly crumbling
You sure about that?
I agree things are crumbling, but Trump is a symptom not the cause. Trump is not going to be the end of things, he is just a dude that likes to talk about himself and be important.
I would broadly agree with that, except for the documented attempts to subvert the election. I think that ones pretty uniquely bad
I guess it depends on what subvert the election means. From all that I have known and heard it seems to be the same legal things that all the candidates usually do. And then when I say this someone links some partisan article about how it was worse than when Deathstar destroys Alderan.
It’s much easier to get 65% turnout when it’s a candidate we can get excited about.
His record is great, and the alternative is the end of democracy.
What more do you want
I dunno… someone that doesn’t make up words like “goodest”?
Fantastigasmical?
The difference is that you made that word up on purpose…
Give me a fucking break. You have to point to some random website to even try to defend this and even that says that it’s not really a word but language is fluid?
You’re only proving the point more.
Here, have a refreshing beverage.
I’d agree but when the other candidate is Trump the excitement should be at max level for you, or I’ll have to think you have a secret agenda.
Its not secret. I want to dissolve the two party system and force the legacy political parties to compete in a free market of ideas. If they arent competitive because their muscles have weakened from long use of First Past The Post voting as a crutch… that’s on them.
Ok either do that before this years election, or just shut up and do your duty
Those % are very much bullshit but I support the message. Vote out the fascist party.
Don’t let the bullshit percentages distract you from the fact that in 1998, the Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer’s table. Vote. 🗳️
But but Biden and muh Jennoside???
Oh do fuck off
Did Nick Fuentes tell you to reply that?
Disgusting
