It’s just hard to be motivated when burnt out by a company that hates it needs you and forces people to do work in a stupid way without autonomy and the goal of fucking their customers
Edit: I’m referring to post-capitalism, not justifying corporate bullshit
Edit: I have no idea what’s going on. Clearly someone doing nothing would do things not to be bored.
I can whole heartedly confirm that not everyone needs to have a job to not be bored. My ADHD ass has a whole ton of possible things I can learn the absolute basics too without being productive and moving onto the next shiny thing but work keeps getting in the way.
Learning by itself isn’t being productive because it doesn’t produce anything. Doing things with that knowledge would be productive.
Keep in mind the context of this thread is work, which gives a context to being ‘productive’ that is wasting time making someone else money to get a pittance.
Do you not have a life outside the office? I’m sorry if that’s the case.
No need to subject everyone to in-office mandates just because for some people it’s the only way they get “human contact” (going to ignore the “high-quality” part of your statement lol)
A lot of people don’t and I’m convinced that’s why they want to go back to the office. It’s not that they hate their family, it’s that they’re boring and bland so not only do they not go out and make friends doing things they love, they’re convinced the only way to have friends is to pay someone to be in proximity with them.
I pity those people. On the other hand I have a rich and fulfilling personal life that includes friends, family, solitude, and people I choose to have in my life. I don’t need those folks to fuck that up for me by making me see miserable people who need someone to be paid to be their friend.
I think that a lot of those people likely live in a very car dependent, suburban area, and therefore don’t get any regular interaction with people outside of their immediate family.
I live in a city, so I have regular infractions with people that I know when I’m out and about: I pop into the butcher shop, coffee shop or green grocer and talk to the employees I know. I walk the dog, and run into friends and acquaintances that live the next neighborhood over, etc.
People in rural areas usually have similar sorts of relationships with people in the area.
Contrast that with the suburbs, where neighbors may know each other to say hello to, but not much past that, and it’s hard to build any kind of relationship with the barista at the drive-through Starbucks or any employees at the local Kroger superstore.
There are also the people who have bought into the whole define yourself by your work bullshit and they don’t value their relationships outside of work.
I like my coworkers. I mean it; they’re nice people.
But I want to spend time with the people I deeply care about, who share the same hobbies or have a similar vision of the world. I can’t express myself freely around coworkers as I can with people I choose to be around in my free time.
Seriously speaking though, high quality human contact is essential for a good life. It doesn’t have to happen every day though.
Counterpoint: you can have high-quality human contact with people you choose to be around, not so much with people you’re paid to be around.
Didn’t you choose your place of employment?
Considering that my desired workplace is “laying in bed for $5k a week”, no I can’t say that I did. Survival and a safe place to shit dictated that.
You’d get bored and want to be productive.
It’s just hard to be motivated when burnt out by a company that hates it needs you and forces people to do work in a stupid way without autonomy and the goal of fucking their customers
Edit: I’m referring to post-capitalism, not justifying corporate bullshit
Edit: I have no idea what’s going on. Clearly someone doing nothing would do things not to be bored.
I can whole heartedly confirm that not everyone needs to have a job to not be bored. My ADHD ass has a whole ton of possible things I can learn the absolute basics too without being productive and moving onto the next shiny thing but work keeps getting in the way.
See, I would classify learning for learning’s sake to be productive.
And, yes, that’s exactly what I was trying to say
Learning by itself isn’t being productive because it doesn’t produce anything. Doing things with that knowledge would be productive.
Keep in mind the context of this thread is work, which gives a context to being ‘productive’ that is wasting time making someone else money to get a pittance.
I separate work under capitalism from community directed, individually motivated, anarchially organised work. Hence the first edit.
Learning is a requirement of productivity, productivity cannot exist without learning, therefore learning is productive.
I don’t think people have an issue with work, they have an issue with the current state.
I chose to apply for job X, I didn’t choose who would apply to work in the same place.
Do you not have a life outside the office? I’m sorry if that’s the case.
No need to subject everyone to in-office mandates just because for some people it’s the only way they get “human contact” (going to ignore the “high-quality” part of your statement lol)
A lot of people don’t and I’m convinced that’s why they want to go back to the office. It’s not that they hate their family, it’s that they’re boring and bland so not only do they not go out and make friends doing things they love, they’re convinced the only way to have friends is to pay someone to be in proximity with them.
I pity those people. On the other hand I have a rich and fulfilling personal life that includes friends, family, solitude, and people I choose to have in my life. I don’t need those folks to fuck that up for me by making me see miserable people who need someone to be paid to be their friend.
I think that a lot of those people likely live in a very car dependent, suburban area, and therefore don’t get any regular interaction with people outside of their immediate family.
I live in a city, so I have regular infractions with people that I know when I’m out and about: I pop into the butcher shop, coffee shop or green grocer and talk to the employees I know. I walk the dog, and run into friends and acquaintances that live the next neighborhood over, etc. People in rural areas usually have similar sorts of relationships with people in the area.
Contrast that with the suburbs, where neighbors may know each other to say hello to, but not much past that, and it’s hard to build any kind of relationship with the barista at the drive-through Starbucks or any employees at the local Kroger superstore.
There are also the people who have bought into the whole define yourself by your work bullshit and they don’t value their relationships outside of work.
High quality human contact, in a workplace?
…yes?
I like my coworkers. I mean it; they’re nice people.
But I want to spend time with the people I deeply care about, who share the same hobbies or have a similar vision of the world. I can’t express myself freely around coworkers as I can with people I choose to be around in my free time.
Have you heard of the sociological concept of the third place? One can absolutely have their human contact in places that aren’t home and work.