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- feminism@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- feminism@lemmy.world
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While I agree with the main thrust, I have issues with the logic presented here. Primarily, not all that is good is natural, and not all that is natural is good. For example, bad knees and dying in childbirth is quite natural, but I think it’s good to save other humans from the negative effects of these preventable conditions wherever we can. Humans, like chimpanzees, seem to have a natural proclivity for violent behavior which is not good despite being arguably very natural.
I think we should aspire to do good things even if they don’t come naturally to us, and likewise, we should not use nature as a model to decide what’s good. I prefer that we take more responsibility to carve out our own morals. Nature is brutal, violent, and sometimes grossly inefficient.
Finally, I believe those morals absolutely should include treating women as people, which is a surprisingly controversial position these days!
Who says violence isn’t good? How is “good” even defined?
People need to be taught that killing people is wrong. The natural instinct can be to use this permanent solution to a problem.
People need to be taught that killing people is wrong. The natural instinct can be to use this permanent solution to a problem.
This is debatable I think. The vast, vast, vast majority of humans have never killed anyone, and a huge number of those who did were forced to in some way. Time and again we get combat reports that most people will simply not fire at anyone, regardless of the scenario.
It was in the sixth chapter of Men Against Fire that (Col. Samuel Lyman) Marshall made his assertions about what he called the ratio of fire. He was quite explicit: “a commander of infantry will be well advised to believe that when he engages the enemy not more than one quarter of his men will ever strike a real blow. …”
“The 25 percent estimate stands even for well-trained and campaign-seasoned troops. I mean that 75 per cent will not fire or will not persist in firing against the enemy and his works. These men may face danger but they will not fight.”
With repetition, the assertion became stronger, and nonfiring edged up to 85 percent: “we found that on average not more than 15 per cent of the men had actually fired at enemy positions or at personnel with rifles, carbines, grenades, bazookas, BARs, or machine guns during the course of an entire engagement. … The best showing that could be made by the most spirited and aggressive companies was that one man in four had made at least some use of his fire power.”
This a problem with all “natural order” arguments. If the order they wanted was so fucking natural they wouldn’t need people with guns to enforce it.
Remember kids: it’s not political violence if some suit sends the police to do the violence for them.
Maybe I’m going to the wrong churches, because I’ve literally never heard such a sermon…
That’s the beauty of Christianity. The Bible is so contradictory and vague that it becomes Choose-Your-Own-Adventure.
