Not gonna lie, as a straight white man, I would watch a show called " Doctor Twink with his boyfriend fashion Lizard".
And DS9 is the conservative one with all the religion and the baseball and the war crimes and stuff.
TNG was run by a Frenchman who thought allowing bronze age species to believe in God was a barbaric act and went to bat as a human rights lawyer for an android who in turn let his first child pick their gender at will. All that while his polyamorous first officer was busy arguing against conversion therapy when pushed upon his trans nonbinary partner.
Uh… He wasn’t against allowing anyone to believe in a god of gods. He only took issue with people worshipping “The Picard” and Ardra scamming.
He gave a speech about how they had moved past religion and he wasn’t going to allow them to go back to superstition
Let’s be real. Picard probably worships the koala.
Nah. There is a whole omnipotent being with a massive crush on him and Picard treats him like a nuisance he deals with at regular intervals. First thing he did when Q got briefly depowered was put him in the brig.
Picard knows the Koala is real but he has zero respect for cosmic marsupials in general.
He knew Ardra was a phony, but still passed up the opportunity.
That takes some restraint and willpower, as opposed to Will-power, cause we all know Riker would.
It doesn’t take any willpower when you’re this man-
While I don’t doubt he (or Picard) could have bagged Cindy Crawford, you can tell they weren’t in the same room based on lighting and shadows.
Yeah DS9 was good, but it took me a long time to get past the fact that they made the Federation freaking space NATO. Martial law, biological weapons on your own citizens, papers please, most with the subtext (or lengthy deleted personal log) that morality is for peace time, and some of your favorite values should be abandoned when the stakes are high.
I think ENT is the most conservative tbh. Who else would go that far to get revenge for Florida?
They forgot Libertarian Alien who’s there for comedic relief. His kooky libertarian plans reliably blow up in his face like Wile E. Coyote.
Quite woke of them to give representation to a conservative too. We wouldn’t want to ignore any minorities. Not unless they shrink into nothingness. I hope.
Conservatism … in DS9 they gave them an entire planet called Ferenginar.
I’m really loving the episodes with Brunt, Liquidator of the Ferengi Commerce Authority … if any being in the galaxy embodies taxation, it’s Brunt. I love him because I absolutely hate him, a truly genius piece of character creation.
Jeffrey Combs is the most underrated actor of the 90s.
Combs also said of Brunt, “He was the IRS guy from hell. He’s the guy who just kept coming back to make your life miserable, audit after audit after audit. I can imagine that that would be pretty awful. He also typified to me the inflexibility of someone who thinks their way is the right way.”
And now the Himbo is their king
The first interracial kiss on TV was between Kirk and Uhura in 1968. Star Trek is and always has been set in a time when humans have achieved a post-scarcity leftist utopian. Shit’s been this way since way before your uncle started calling everything he doesn’t like “woke” which was only like 4 years ago for the record.
Know what was really woke? Keeping watch for police brutality and unjust police tactics. For real. I’m quoting this article lol.
… Star Trek is and has always been woke. It’s like the core feature of Star Trek
ToS had the first interracial kiss shown on television. And then there was this entire episode.
It wasn’t the 1st interracial kiss on TV. By some metrics it was the 1st in the US but other countries had earlier kisses.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_interracial_kiss_on_television
I think it’s most notable for the conservative American censorship.
Being the first on American television was a significant achievement considering how they deal with censorship there. Americans have always been a bit stunted when it comes to accepting diversity.
Dear Paramount: Doctor Twink and his boyfriend Fashion Lizard is a spinoff I would 100% watch every week.
Thank you.
Haha why do you guys call him Doctor Twink? The man was a horn dog, chasing tail on the daily.
It’s ok - he’s just a plain… simple… tailor.
The hypothetical discussions will be, without irony, absolutely riveting.
Out of all the shows I’ve seen over the decades, out of all the characters I’ve seen, Garek is probably my absolute favorite. When top tier writing meets top tier acting. Beautiful.
You should read the novel that the actor wrote. It’s the back story of the character, and the first of hundreds of start trek books I’ve been reading.
And he narrates the audiobook himself!
Oooh that’s a nice plus
Oh my god yes. My Dinner With Andre style. Just the two of them flirting for an hour.
Where do people find fanfic for Star Trek? Asking for a friend.
Traumatized Goo
I see they put O’Brien on this list, but then which one is Odo?
He’s the Unionist.
Odo is an identity-seeking pre-proto-fascist who redeems himself. (pre and proto both because he’s not a fascist but he might have become one if the
KardassiansCardassians kept power)Imho
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(pre and proto both because he’s not a fascist but he might have become one if the Kardassians Cardassians kept power)
Disagree there. If there is one thing we know about Odo, it is that he has a very strong moral code and a strict sense of justice. Even when Terok Nor was under Cardassian Rule.
I would not disagree in the slightest that he has a very strict moral code. And that’s exactly why I said what I said.
Because the strict code Odo lives by is one of following rules.
During the Cardassian occupation, he worked as the rules told him to, unbiased. But the thing is that immoral men can make bad rules.
Perhaps proto-fascist is a bit strong. Proto-authoritarian maybe. But either way, he clearly doesn’t go that way, and like I said, redeems himself.
In Tribunal, he talked about how he started out that way, but after executing three innocent Bajorans for a terrorist attack, he learned the meaning of justice.
He was also only brought aboard Terok Nor in the first place because he was seen as a neutral third party.
“… because he was seen as a neutral third party.”
Sort of my point, really.
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. We may be surprised at the people we find in heaven.
— Desmond Tutu
Right, but what I am saying is that he figured out on his own while Cardassians were still occupying the station what justice meant and that it didn’t mean just following the rules.
Wokeness is not the issue with disco, et al. It’s terrible writing, poor science even for soft sci fi, and too many cringey moments.
I get that some people love it. But the emotional resolution porn is, to me, just icky.
Stamets is coming for you.
I know. He and I are very close. My question is how you know.
Yes. We’re gay lovers.
Ah. Yes, one should always be open about one’s entanglements.
Totally agreed, shnookums
Don’t eat the shrooms!
Directions unclear: am now critical navigation equipment for starship.
This sums Dico up perfectly for me. I consider myself “woke”, I share the values they are advocating in Disco very much. But it’s just. So. Shoved. Into. It.
It’s not subtle, it’s not something coming naturally to the story in most cases. It’s just badly writen into a already badly written overall show.
And that, to be honest, is a shame.
I disagree that it’s because of ‘‘shoved’’ or overt politics. It’s just God awful writing and a terrible idea for a ST show. They made it a chronological story about one protagonist. There’s consistent bridge crew we don’t even know their names, their character or story, or even get to hear them talk besides ‘‘there’s a [thing] captain!’’ Type of shit.
No ensemble stories, no stand alone stories, and very close to no science fiction at all. It’s all just trying to give you high stakes action scenes with close to nothing else happening.
Hardest part of liking Disco for me was I couldn’t shake the feeling they stretched Star Treks skin over another shows pilot/first season.
This actually makes a lot of sense. You might be right.
Are we head canoning Kira as bi now or is she including mirror universe Kira in this? Or maybe I missed something in several watches.
This is my problem with this meme whenever it comes up.
There are so many direct occasions to bring up representation and acceptance in Star Trek, so why do people always jump straight into platonic erasure and make up sexualities that aren’t there?
I for one always loved the ability for people in Trek to work and live close to each other and develop deep friendships without resorting to coupling up. Turning every friendship into something more romantic just seems disrespectful, because people are perfectly capable of being friends without needing to make something more of it
Babe, this ‘platonic erasure’ comes from the original airings.
It was the 90’s, we were starved of everything. There was no overt representation. The comm still operated heavily in code, so if a show threw us circumspection we read between the lines.
You got Jadzia’s kiss, you got Riker and the androgynous species, and all of Intendant Kira.
I’m not saying those few cases are enough representation (Kira being arguably a bad example, making her sexuality into a more “evil” trait), but they were definitely overt. On the other hand, there’s zero basis for saying Prime Kira was bi, and Doctor Twink was quite straight, no matter how gay Garak was.
Honestly, I thought Julian and Garak was perfectly executed. Garak may have been flirty, but Julian was obviously more enamored with the spy scenario and intrigue (as we delved deeper into in Our Man Bashir and to some degree, the Section 31 episodes).
Oh a kiss in a doomed relationshipl! An evil, abusive dictator and another doomed romance that ended in what was essentially a lobotomy! Our cups truly ranneth over
I guess your attention span ran out after four words, so you ignored the rest of the explanation
But that’s a you problem
Got nothing else so you resort to insults? Poor form.
I really get the feeling you were not queer in the 90’s, and you’re trying to backfill what it was like. As someone who was (and still is, well the queer part at least) you’re getting it terribly wrong
It’s not “nothing else”, you just ignored the rest of what I said. Literally everything in your last post was already addressed in what I said
If you took that as an insult, well… I’ve already said it.
