Damn, the selfishness and out of touch arrogance is crazy. They really think they’re entitled to power, even at the cost of our democracy.
Ah, so you can name a better candidate at this time who can swoop in and beat Trump? Maybe if they started campaigning 2 years ago and were accepted by the DNC. Good luck with that.
The shortsightedness of ya’ll to call him remaining in a race he’s been working on for 4 years is astounding. Is the best we can muster? Certainly not. Is he the best we can muster right now? Unfortunately. It’s him or Trump, so deal with it.
Ah, so you can name a better candidate at this time who can swoop in and beat Trump?
Literally anyone (except Clinton, and I guess Harris since she’s tainted by Biden).
You’re acting like Trump is popular, he’s not, Biden is simply as unpopular as a convicted felon. All that’s needed to beat Trump would be someone who doesn’t stink of dead children. That’s literally it. Pick someone who’s not associated with Biden and people will rally behimd them. Biden is the very worst we have to offer in this context he’s created.
You could put a plank of wood up there and I’d vote for it at this point, as long as it’s not old geriatric Genocide Joe Feinstein.
You didn’t answer the question. Answer it.
Who is a better candidate that can beat trump. There is no one named literally anyone. So let’s see you name someone that is VIABLE. Not some bullshit dream you have. Give us a name of someone currently running with the chance to win.
And who is Joe Feinstein?
Literally anyone.
That’s your answer. Throw a dart into a crowd of democratic politicians (just make sure to throw it hard) and democrats across the board, and a good number of independents, will vote for whoever it hits because Donald Trump is still deeply unpopular.
The reason this is possible is because Biden has become toxic and has now outed himself as completely doddering, he’s lost both the high and low information voters at this point so replacing him will only be a net benefit for Democrats. Wheel Klobachar or Bill de Blasio out there for all I care. People would quite literally vote for a Roomba. Are you understanding this? I’m telling you, explicitly, anyone stands a better chance over Biden.
Ah, throw a dart and gamble against fascism is a weird hill to die on. And many people will die on that hill if Trump wins.
I promise you no progressive candidate (who are my personal preference for representation) could possibly win against Trump in this time. Centrists won’t save us via positive change, which is the real crime here.
“Wheel whoever the fuck in for all I care”
This is where democracy conflicts with what you want. A enormous number of people, large enough to tip the election, care very much who is wheeled in. Many fence sitters see anything other than the status quo as a threat. Biden represents the “safe” option to them. It sucks, but that’s the reality of why he can beat Trump and anyone younger, more progressive, or consisting of more than one “different status” have no choice.
We can’t have a choice of actual good candidates until we overturn Citizens United. At that point I’d agree with you.
Ah, throw a dart and gamble against fascism is a weird hill to die on.
Biden is the gamble, even the party establishment is understanding that at this point, why can’t you?
Biden is uniquely equipped to lose this race.
Biden is uniquely equipped to lose this race.
Yeah, this is where we diverge. Until literally anyone else even attempts to out-stump Biden, I’ll disagree. Not other candidate actually put up a fight to unseat him. You can want someone else, that’s fine. But until that someone else actually tries, you get what you get.
Biden won’t ruffle feathers, and that’s all the fence sitters want. They’d prefer someone neutered and ineffective. That’s why he’ll win. It’s sad but true.
So like ALL The others. You have no answer. You were asked in good faith, and answered with bullshit.
You weren’t asked who YOU would be dumb enough to vote for (a roomba?) You were asked specifically WHO COULD WIN AGAINST TRUMP.
It’s that simple. Should be a no brainer which is right up your alley- and you still can’t answer it.
And lastly. This is how easy it is to out you people. One simple question and there’s all we need to know that it sure seems like you’re not here to do anything but disrupt an election.
Do you not understand the word anyone? I answered your question, you just don’t want to accept it because the only person you’ll accept (for god knows why) is Biden. You were never asking in good faith, I gave you an answer and the reasoning behind it, you chose to ignore it, that’s on you.
I’m guessing you’re trolling. And not very well.
Do you not understand that ANYONE isn’t running? And that suggesting this as an answer to the question shows you know that the answer is NO ONE.
But we both know that saying as much completely outs your propaganda bullshit.
And… for the record: I am asking a simple question to the topic of the discussion- your repeated bad faith nonsense as an answer is closer to trolling.
Just go ahead and admin that you don’t give a shit about all of the people that will be hurt by Trump becasue you chose to vote for…
anyone.
So…. Let’s get this straight:
He’s being selfish for trying to stop a tyrant from turning America into a dictatorship run by a rapist/convicted felon…
But people who are not voting, are…. Hero patriots protecting democracy? Do I have that right?
He’s being selfish for trying to stop a tyrant from turning America into a dictatorship run by a rapist/convicted felon…
He’s being selfish because he’s giving that fascist rapist the best chance he’s got at winning the white house, all because his ego won’t allow him to admit he’s failed and people don’t want him in the whitehouse.
He was elected because he let the implication that he’d be a one-term care taker president. He knew from the beginning that he didn’t have what it would take to carry a second election, but he’s just too addicted to trying to salvage his legacy.
What he’ll be remebered for funding a genocide, clinging arrigantly to power and handing our democracy over to the far right.
The baffling part is how not only are we stuck with a two party system that keeps any significant changes from getting a foot hold, but also how we have so few choices with the parties we have. In a country of millions of leaders in various forms, we have nothing to pick from outside of Biden, and he’s potentially losing to someone with Trump’s long track record of failure both in politics and business. Remember when Trump running for office used to be a regular late night show joke for years?
The only hope for change in politics is local races, and even lots of those are pretty sad. “Get out and vote”, yeah, but years of doing that hasn’t really helped much, so pardon my pessimism. I’m not George Carlin level just yet, but I always understood his point.
Start a new party that isn’t absolutely insane and has realistic views that can draw enough attention to compete.
Systemically nigh impossible due to spoilering effect, wasted votes, gerrymandering and so on under FPTP. Even then all would happen is the new party replacing on of the existing ones and still stuck with two party system.
YouTube, cgpgrey, animal Kingdom votes videos.
It’s too late for a third party in 2024, but it’s the perfect time to get people talking about 2028.
If we don’t, we’re gonna be right back here in 2028 talking about how it’s too late.
This is when people are paying attention and desperate for any other option.
Planning ahead is the path forward, we can’t just keep reacting every four years then ignoring it again.
Didn’t the Democratic Party crush any hope of RCV even when it passes on the ballot? I mean i expect that from republicans, but it seems it is a rare bipartisan effort to prevent it from ever happening.
Why would they want RCV to happen?
In it’s current state neither party has accountability from their own voters.
They can literally do anything they want, raise billions of dollars and be practically free from any accountability because the parties aren’t officially government agencies.
When corruption happens at the party level, it’s literally “totally legal, and totally cool”.
The people who would rise to power in such a system, will never give it up it willingly. And anyone that isn’t corrupt, faces near impossible odds.
Look at AIPAC just dropping 15 million on a House seat primary. How are voters supposed to compete in a primary like that, and what are they supposed to do in a general?
Not vote Dem so the Republican that also takes AIPAC money wins? They’re not even the only ones doing it, they’re just the ones paying the most openly.
Our system is fucked and we can’t keep waiting “one more election” to openly acknowledge it.
NYT is reporting on a hastily arranged call of the DNC finance committee today with some big donors. I don’t see a non-paywalled source about it, but I assume it is happening.
That is a hugely important meeting because if Biden’s donors say they will not support the campaign financially anymore, that will be one of the dominoes that would need to fall to get Biden to back out. Campaigns are expensive, and Trump’s fundraising is focused on his campaign as third priority, after paying his legal bills and Trump himself.
I’m not really sure whether Biden can pull this off or not, but his chances are zero if his big donors stop giving.
Campaigns are expensive,
Moderate Dem campaigns are expensive in that they need big money donors to convince voters to hold their noses.
Progressive Dem campaigns are essentially free because the voters themselves are donating the bulk of the money.
The same efforts spent to get voters, naturally gets donors.
I don’t think people realize how much time and effort Biden and the DNC put into getting these big fundraisers with George Clooney when it’s a completely unnecessary step.
It shouldn’t take 2 billion dollars to get more votes than trump, but that’s what its been projected to cost to get Biden back in the White House. And that was before America saw him at the debate…
If the DNC is doing things behind the scenes, it’s probably to re-route the big incoming dark money push to make sure it’ll still land on a party favorite.
Last election it was 64 million in a single donation that no one knows where it came from…
Yet in the summer of 2020, when a blandly named entity called the Impetus Fund received a $64 million donation from a single anonymous source, it touched off a guessing game with broad political implications.
That single anonymous donation, routed through a series of accounts, eventually would be used to help Joe Biden defeat Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election. Critics say it has come to illustrate an increasingly opaque system of funding elections that in 2024 could reach a scale that dwarfs all previous election cycles.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-64-million-mystery-anonymous-donations-2024-presidential-campaign/
We can’t just blindly keep supporting anyone that’s not a Republican. We’ve been doing it for a long time and it’s not fucking working.
You can do it Joe!
Biden’s campaign and his family are the only ones defending him, and now his family is turning on the campaign…
Among the most vocal: Jill Biden and son Hunter, whom the president has long gone to for counsel and advice. Both believe the president shouldn’t bow out when he’s down, and believe that he can come back from what they see as one subpar performance. The family questioned how he was prepared for the debate by staff and wondered if they could have done something better, the people said.
Like, why the fuck is Hunter Biden involved in these decisions?
This is the one time voters actually want the party to put their fingers on the scales, and they just fucking won’t.
They’d rather risk trump then turn on Biden, because he appointed the current DNC leadership.
And if a Dem doesn’t win the general, they get to vote to maintain the current leadership.
Who are obviously incredibly incompetent. If Biden wins, he’s keeping them all for their loyalty.
The party top concern isn’t stopping trump, it’s maintaining their personal power over one of the only two political parties in America, that’s supposed to raise 2 billion just for Biden’s campaign this cycle.
They’re in it for the money, not to save America.
We can’t keep putting our future in their hands.
