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    Outside of the immunity to Charm it was still a decent use of an action/ready action.

    I think you could rule either way on if the zombies/lich would jump off a cliff after the gem, since the spell mentions that they specifically stare at and approach you (not the gem).

    So you better jump off and cast feather fall.

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      3 months ago

      Casting a spell and holding it uses visible components the hobgoblin could react to.

      Incite greed also explicitly says that the creature avoids obvious harm while approaching you and does nothing beyond approaching you. If the would always run after the gem (forsaking personal safety to do so), this would be noted in the description.

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        Casting a spell and holding it uses visible components the hobgoblin could react to.

        I’d think it’d take at least an arcana check to know that the spell you’re holding is Jump. So yeah, he could react, but would he necessarily be able to react in time to stop you from casting the spell? Not to mention, if he reacts just barely not in time and jumps haphazardly, one could argue the Wizard jumped farther and therefore wins.

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          If he doesn’t know what spell you’re casting, that means that he’s even more likely to assume that you are trying to cast an harmful spell, making him attack you. And casting a spell takes an action, basically a third of your turn if you want, so the hobgoblin has at least 2 seconds to react, if not more. And thats plenty of time to stop himself from jumping.

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        Ah, thanks.

        For anyone coming later, the first half of the video is superfluous to the meme, start at 3:18. I agree with the video’s interpretation of the first ruling, that that would be a reasonable use of a ready action.

        Otherwise, yeah, the meme is spot on.

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          3 months ago

          As I said elsewhere, casting a spell and holding it uses visible components the hobgoblin could react to.

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            That isn’t how I interpret the ready action. And yeah, there should be a save of some sort even if it isn’t RAW, but I think I’d allow it out at my table, it’s creative and fun.

            Edit: I reread the rule, there is language for precasting the spell. I stil thinkl it’d be more fun to find a way to hide it, like a stealth check or similar.

            Either way, the fact that casting a spell is an action isn’t really a problem here

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              Far as I think about it, if one wants to hide a spell, they should pick up the subtle spell-metamagic. Making every caster able to do what is supposed to be a special ability (on par with doubling the range/duration of a spell) cheapens the ability and makes casters even stronger than they already are.