Biden announced he’s ending his bid for the presidency via X (formerly twitter).
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Any moment now, the ‘don’t vote for Biden’ group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn’t Harris, they’ll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.
Anything but stop the dictator and his plan to commit genocide against Latinos and queer people.
Even if Trump wasn’t going to do awful things, I can’t stand his stupid face or his stupid voice or his stupid stupidity. That’s enough to vote for someone who’ll beat him.
Harris isn’t ideal, but she’s an improvement. She’s less on board with genocide than Bidenyahu, and she can fog a mirror.
Vote for Harris. Don’t make the party regret listening.
The reason we haven’t seen it happen yet is that they weren’t prepared for this. They need to make some memes and talking points, make sure everyone is on the same page. Give it a day or so, and we’ll start seeing a strangely concerted effort against Harris.
I didn’t want to believe it but they’re already in the comments. We need to be vocal. Kamala is a great candidate.
‘Beating the Republican Fascist agenda’ is a great candidate. I don’t really care how that is spelled on the ballot.
I’ll vote for virtually anyone the Democrats nominate to stop the genocidal dictator, but my first choice, of course, will always be-
Alright, fuck it. I’LL run. I’m 40, nobody knows me so they don’t hate me, I think Hitler was bad, and I’ll let you guys smoke weed and keep your pronouns.
And for the republicans in the room, I’m not going to send anyone to take your guns. That sounds like a bad idea, that we already saw play out in Waco TX. Nobody wants that.
And for all the cats registered as undecided parties…meow meow meow meow meow. Meow meow MEOW MEOW MEOW!!! HISSS HISSSSS HISSSSSS clickclickclickclickclickclick…purrrr purrrr purrrr purrrrr purrrrrr.
And to all the mentally crazy voters, HEYMYNAMESBOBANDIMHERETOMAKEEVERYBODYSAFEFROMTHELIZARDPEOPLEFROMEATINGOURBRAINSANDTHEGOVERNMENTPOTBELLIEDPIGSBACONVIVALEREVOLUTION!!!
And to the dyslexic voters, Helol hwo aer yuo?
Shit, quick someone get him on the ballots!
That’s my main deciding point, and why I’m happy Biden stepped down. I didn’t think he’d win the Rust Belt. Harris might.
My main vote is “Not Trump’s Fascism.”
I will absolutely vote whoever is opposite of trump on the ticket. But a black woman winning the rust belt? That would be wild. I’m all for it, mind you, but that would be some crazy shit.
Trump kept climbing the polls in PA, which is the Keystone state of this election.
I’m not sorry, and I will be here all night.
Of course they are. They started when it was just rumored that Biden would drop out.
How is she a good candidate? She stood against everything progressives stand for as a prosecutor and hasn’t apologized or clarified that she supports marijuana legalization, abolition of for-profit prisons, or disproportionately prosecuting minorities.
What the fuck are you talking about? When she was running for president in 2019, she released detailed plans about how she would legalize marijuana, abolish private prisons, and reform the carceral system.
I get that you probably weren’t aware of her evolved stance on these things, but a single google search could have shown you that you were incorrect on every single point you made.
And I’m happy to be wrong about her evolved state. Thanks.
If I could give you some kind of prize I would. Have a meaningless pixel trophy instead, and an upvote: 🏆
This is the bravest comment I’ve seen today, you deserve an internet prize 🏆
I love this site
What the fuck are you talking about? When she was running for president in 2019, she released detailed plans about how she would legalize marijuana, abolish private prisons, and reform the carceral system.
Has she done those things? (I sincerely don’t know.)
I’ve heard that she’s revised her stances, but even in 2019 there was some question regarding the sincerity of her evolving viewpoints.
We’re likely to get 8 years of her if she wins, so I think it’s entirely reasonable to want her to affirm her stances in some of these areas. We won’t be able to move any further left than she allows. Sure, she’s not Trump, and I’m going to vote for her. It would be nice to have hope she’ll do more than just move right more slowly than Trump though.
She says very little, and nothing convincing, about some of the most serious charges against her, like that she fought hard to keep innocents in prison and failed to fight hard against corrupt cops.
If elected president, Harris seems as likely as any of her Democratic rivals, and far more likely than Donald Trump, to pursue a criminal-justice-reform agenda that overlaps with policies I favor as a civil libertarian. And I do not hold it against Harris that as a municipal and state official she enforced many laws that I regard as unjust. All the candidates now running for president will, if elected, preside over the enforcement of some laws that they and I regard as unjust.
But like her rivals, the reforms that Harris would sign into law as president would depend mostly on what Democrats in Congress could get to her desk. Far more important is how she would preside over a federal legal system and bureaucracy that is prone to frequent abuses. And her record casts significant doubts about whether she can be trusted to oversee federal law enforcement, the military, intelligence agencies, the detention of foreign prisoners, and more.
I mean, she’ll have ample opportunity to expound on that. But prison reform and legalizing marijuana were platforms she ran on in 2019. I haven’t seen anything from her that would indicate she’s reversed her position since then.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/aug/01/were-tulsi-gabbards-attacks-kamala-harris-record-c/
Harris “put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.”
Notably, the figures dropped dramatically during Harris’ tenure, from 817 marijuana-related admissions in her first year in office to 137 in her last.
She laughed because it was funny and I’m tired of people telling me it’s not. 💥 🔫
She’s been a prosecutor, senator, and now VP. She has the experience. She can speak in complete sentences. She is a neo-liberal but that was a given. All Democratic candidates since Clinton have been neo-liberals. The idea that Kamala is anti-progressive is false.
Yeah it is ridiculous. Essentially “why didn’t you legalize marijuana when you were AG?” Because that job isn’t about changing the laws it’s about prosecuting the law.
Bad enough SCOTUS is changing laws on a whim (instead of interpreting which is their actual job) we shouldn’t be expecting everyone on every level just disregard laws they disagree with. I agree that marijuana criminalization is stupid and should be repealed, but push for legislators to change the law rather than push for more people to ignore the law.
Let me ask you a question: Harris Or Trump?
Harris, 100% I was wrong about the statement. She evolved her stance and has grown.
Are you new to the democratic party?
If she she’s was a great candidate she would have been the candidate 4 years ago.
She’s an adequate candidate for the task at hand, which is beating Trump. Biden no longer is.
That’s far from a assured. She has a ton of issues on her own.
She’s an improvement over Biden. And just look at all the time, money, and effort Republicans wasted against someone who’s no longer even running. They’re flailing and trying to find something that will stick.
Improvement cognitively, I don’t know if I’d say she’s and Improvement in any other way whatsoever.
Fuck ooooffffffffff my god these flippant bullshit one liners get so old
Dear god, please tell me this isn’t the best you people can come up with.
Funny that’s what I say when I hear Harris is gonna be the candidate.
She was on the ticket 4 years ago. She is VP. Now she’s on top. Kamala 2024!
I’m concerned you couldn’t grasp that by candidate we were talking about the Presidential candidate.
I understand. Kamala is going to president of the United States of America. And it’s going to be awesome.
So she hasn’t gained any knowledge or experience in the last 4 years? We’re all just born with all the knowledge and experience we will ever have?
Honestly, doubt it.
By the same token, Biden was tied for dead last in the 2008 primary. Things change.
That’s an interesting factoid, but I haven’t been able to find it anywhere. Do you have a source on that?
If you’d applied this logic to trump would have even posted this?
Wha… what? What does that even mean?
The republicans are running last election’s loser.
Yeah?
Hi, I think you’ve seen me in enough places saying not to vote for Biden.
Go vote for Harris.
Most of the biden haters i know on the left are upset about his support for israel. Harris has been much more critical of the genocide. We’ll just have to see.
I didnt want to vote for biden, but was still going to vote blue no matter who. Im glad i dont have to vote for genocide anymore.
Until Harris fucks up terribly in public and jeopardizes her campaign, I won’t be advocating for her replacement. I never said “don’t vote Biden.” I said “run somebody better.” Keeping Trump out of office is more important to me than living in this country and I love where I live. I’m hopeful that Harris can win the trust of the people and prevent my having to relocate (and a bunch of other bad shit).
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Absolutely they will. When the gEnOciDe stopped working/got boring, they switched to- oLd!
Give it a day, they’ll have their reasons not to vote for her too.
I’m really hoping if Harris still has to be on the ticket that she’ll stay VP. It would be nice to have a decent prez option.
But I’ll be voting anti trump either way.
Nah, I said I would support her if that’s what it came down to.
She needs a good VP though with her record.
That debate and the putin -Zelensky trump-Harris mixups so short together.
Pull in Buttigieg and you have a white male as a backup to calm people down and maybe pull in the gay vote.
I understand how the last sentence could be seen the wrong way, but it’s the cynical reality.
Yeah I like Harris less than Biden. Sad day tbh.
Cool strawman you’re beating up. I think the majority of us that didn’t want Biden is because he didn’t have a good path to victory. We didn’t want to just stand by and watch the train wreck happen. Harris isn’t much better, but at least she is better, and I will be on board with that of that’s who is chosen. I would rather see Whitmer be on the top of the ticket though.
The criterion is very simple: Don’t vote for genocide committers, enablers or planners. That excludes Biden and Trump.
If the Dems manage to produce a non genocide loving candidate, then vote vote vote and drag everyone who will vote for the non genocide candidate to the polling station.
I may be a weirdo, but I was on the “I’d consider not voting for Biden.” but I’m currently more interested in Harris. Nowhere near as bad of a track record as Biden had. From being racist, to supporting rapists getting into the Supreme Court, to backing massive removal of constitutional rights.
Harris’ record isn’t perfect, and while I’m in California, I don’t recall any bills she pushed/voted for as Senator that was anything as bad as the USA PATRIOT Act. I don’t like her record as our AG at all, but Senator is a different story.
If she picks a good VP pick, I’d be down. I’m wanting maybe Newsom, but that’s just he biggest Democrat I know, as he’s my Governor.
Edit: I don’t know how to make it clear: I live in California. If I voted for a ham sandwich for oresident it would have the same impact as voting for Biden. My state’s EC is clear and chosen, and popular vote doesn’t decide the president otherwise we’d never have Trump. I was considering going Greens, but I’m looking forward to Harris. Get mad at undecideds in Swing States and Trump supporters, not a registered Democrat in California.
you were considering not voting for Biden when Trump was the alternative?
Not all of us live in swing states. It’s weird that so many people act as if that’s the case online.
Yes. But I’m in California. My vote for President doesn’t matter. My local ballots do.
and what benefit do you think not voting for Biden would have gotten you?
A very common position among the lemmy crowd, unfortunately. I really don’t expect much to change either, just swap Harris for Biden in the hit pieces.
As a non American I just can’t comprehend how any of you even have to think about this.
On one hand, an old man, who, despite his age and stumbling over his words, has ran the country relatively successfully for the last four years.
On the other hand, another old man that was a global embarrassment, cosied up to Putin and Kim, spent most of his time golfing and shitting his pants, stole classified documents and likely sold state secrets, he is a sexual abuser, an actual criminal, clearly has corrupt justices on his side with crazy plans, chummy with epstein and took multiple trips to pedo Island, promoted racism at every opportunity, many of the people connected to him for his first term were imprisoned, refused to accept your democratic process, contributed in instigating a fucking coup attempt, and that’s likely not even the half of it…
Like, how the fuck can ANY of you look at that and say “Yeah but Biden stumbles over his words so I’ll just throw my vote away/vote for trump…”
I feel like I’m going insane just watching this shit unfold. It is all so bizarre.
As an American I’m newly flabbergasted by this every damn day
Don’t worry, those of us Americans who don’t have their heads up their asses are just as baffled as you are and 3 times as embarrassed that Trump is even an option again.
I am in a fucking loop of laughter and tears because I don’t even know what to do anymore.
You wanna know how to shut those people up? Replace First Past The Post voting with something like Ranked Choice voting. Then they would have to make their own party and show us how it’s done. (No spoiler effect to)
An aside, I hate that this was posted to twitter before it was posted to Biden’s own website or the White House’s website first.
This is why the internet sucks now. Nobody maintains their own websites anymore. These days everybody just posts everything on the same handful of centralized megacorp websites. Social media killed the golden age of the web.
E-mail, too. You could have all the latest security features to confirm you’re legitimate, but based on the simple fact that your message volume is low (ironically enough), messages you send with your server will often get filed under junk by default.
There are some exceptions that still live by the POSSE*-principle, but they’re rare.
*Post to Own Site, Syndicate/Share Everywhere
Ey yo at least this place exists
This is essentially a very fancy forum. I wouldn’t expect corporations or politicians to be posting here. Maybe they could host their own instance and federate. In principle, that would mean they’re paying for their own hosting and have control over their message being altered.
How about Mastodon?
Post to your own website first, then to social media. Hosting your own Mastodon or Lemmy instance counts as your own website.
Screw Elon
My first reaction was that he was hacked. It wasn’t on official letterhead, there was no other announcement, and the president didn’t immediately make another tweet/x/whatever.
I don’t think I’m alone. Typically when something big like this happens, I get 5-10 news alerts within minutes of each other from various sources. The alerts were slow to roll in today.
“Oh shit, how do we spin this in Trumps favour”
- US media
I mean, it took me 12+ hours to hear that Trump had been shot.
Yeah but you aren’t a news junkie who enables notifications from a bunch of news outlets, I take it?
Is it reading the news or posting it that drives you?
Considering I’ve had the same notifications enabled for over a decade and only started posting here to try and make it active like Reddit… the news?
I hate that he started at least 2 sentences with “and”
It really helps you to hear it in his voice, though.
WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WITH ALL MY BIDEN HATS, FLAGS, T-SHIRTS, AND STICKERS?!
/Just kidding - not in a cult 😅
Not in a cult, have you tried Linux?
I hear the occasional mention of that here.Caught me!
not in a cult
Sure? You are on Lemmy after all.
/joking. Or am I? 🤔 VSauce music plays
Yep, dropped Digg for Reddit. Dropped Reddit for Lemmy. Will drop Lemmy for something else if I end up not liking it. 😎
I did Slashdot, Reddit, Lemmy.
GameFAQs, TOTSE, 4chan, 99chan, imgur, Reddit, Lemmy is my redemption arc
You were on imgur before reddit? What was it like? With all the posts without context?
It was weird. I actually paid for imgur back in the day, when you could. You would scroll randomly through images which I later learned were popular or Reddit. There was a simple, linear comment chain. The nested comment style of reddit confused me. I was on imgur for like 3 years before I tried reddit.
Imgur says Ive been a member for 13 years.
You now have enough data points to estimate how long until Lemmy turns to shit and you need to migrate again!
It started shit, got way worse and is now kind of hanging in a limbo that has the chance for progression.
The admins seem to be alright though.
Maybe something where people don’t put shit like /joking because they’re petrified of downvotes
Where is that place?
That’s the question, Horatio.
Hold onto them, they’ll probably become collector’s items after “the Fall” in 8 years.
Honestly… such a class act!
It’s like pulling a reverse Nixon.
It’s
Joever
it is quite literally Joever
As much as I think that he was too old for the position… JFC. If the Dems don’t nominate Kamala Harris as his replacement, the entire Democratic nomination will be filled with so much infighting that they will lose the faith of their electorate and the next election.
If only more Dems were left-of-centre such that Bernie was a viable option. Unfortunately almost all of them are right-lite.
Bernie Sanders is even older than Biden, he should have been the nominee in 2016 but now it’s too late for him
He’s older but FAR more mentally capable than Joe was in 2020. Aging affects everyone differently.
I think he’d be suited to the job, but not electable.
Yeah that’s totally true, but it’s too much of a risk IMO. There will be great candidates like AOC in the future (she has too little experience right now), that might be the ones fulfilling Bernie’s dream. Sadly Bernie won’t be it
He barely aged since 2016. At least mentally and physically he runs circles around both of the other gramps. Recent interview with Colbert.
Edit: OFC it would be nevertheless delusional to nominate him instead of Harris. He can still influence future democrat policies from the background.
Honestly the biggest problem Biden had was that all his funding dried up after the debate.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/18/us/politics/biden-fundraising.html
Regardless of who you think would win in a vacuum you gotta acknowledge this.
Kelly-Harris or Harris-Kelly.
Either one of those combinations stomps Trump into the pavement.
Does everyone think those space suits are sexy or is it an American thing?
I wouldn’t say sexy. But I’ll say this about Kelly;
Mark Kelly is the embodiment of everything that Conservative America thinks it stands for. When white christian families tuck their kids into the bed at night and tell them about people they should be looking up to and idolizing, it’s Kelly. War Hero, Fighter Pilot, Astronaut from a family of cops.
The twist that he’s a democrat and believes in everything they in reality hate will break MAGA’s fucking brain, and (I think) bring in a lot of what I can “non-republican conservatives”; ie, people who are among the 40% of Americans who don’t vote because, while they live a christian-conservative lifestyle, they don’t necessarily believe in the Republican bullshit.
Hey I used to be one of those conservatives.
I can respect that kind of conservativism. I don’t really agree with it anymore, but I can at least respect it. I don’t really think it’s a good idea to nominate anyone but Harris for the presidential role, but Kelly would probably stomp, if we lived in a slightly less cursed timeline.
Hey I used to be one of those conservatives.
In a previous thread a while back I got curb-stomped for daring to suggest that there were conservatives that weren’t “republicans”; that there were in fact conservatives who maybe don’t believe in things like gay marriage, etc…, who go to church, wait for marriage, and all that; But who ALSO don’t actually give two shits about what other people do with their lives and don’t really want to push their beliefs around. They just want to live their lives and let everyone else live there.
My suggestion that these people exist and that it’s likely that these people don’t vote was met with being told that ALL conservatives are bad regardless of whether they register as republicans or not.
I live in an area of Canada that is surrounded by exactly those type of people. They aren’t liberal minded, they don’t believe in a lot of those things, but when asked if they should force those beliefs on others through government action they’d all say fuck no. Live and let live.
But apparently I’m naive (according to that other thread)
Not only do those people exist but it’s a huge part of the population. Some of these people will vote Republican, some of them will vote Democrat.
But the situation down here has evolved to a level of tribalism that there’s no easy recovery from. You’re expected to be on a team, and if you’re not on my team, regardless of how similar our teams may be, fuck you.
Mark is barely an astronaut compared to his twin brother, who has 10x the spaceflight time and actual EVA hours.
Still, I’d love to see a democratic astronaut on the ticket. Someone with affinity for science and earths delicate balance, while also a remarkable military history.
Oh, and he’s a senator from ARIZONA. He unseated a Republican after McCains special election.
It’s finally over. Now get in someone who can beat Trump.
Who exactly?
Senator Mark Kelly, he can do this
He flipped AZ to blue
He is an astronaut, all American, former servicemen
He can get red votes and blue alike
Isn’t senator Kelly the one that created the mutant registration act?
Yea, but who cares about those sub-human mutants.
I highly doubt Kamala will want to pull a sitting Democratic senator away from the 50/50 Senate given the elections coming up.
I think there is a greater chance that she picks one of the governors. My pick is J.B. Pritzker.
That is true, I really was just spitballing, I’ll have to look into JB Pritzker, I’m regrettably unfamiliar with him
Ok, he is probably the best name anybody has thrown out.
Hmm…not bad. Not amazing name recognition, but that could be remedied.
Having Gabby campaign for/with him, especially after the DJT assassination attempt, could be beneficial, too. (Or could look like a disgusting political plot, but that’s really all our politics.)
Kelly or Mayor Pete seem like the best options.
Buttigieg and AOC ticket? That would be the youth candidacy. Kelly and Buttigieg or vice versa would be more centrist but probably be the most robust candidacy.
I hate to say it, but in this political climate and with the threat of Trump, the best shot is probably two young-ish white guys.
This late in the game, it’s almost certainly Harris. Probably picks a swing state governor like Whitmer or Shapiro.
Or Mark Kelly. Regardless, it’s probably going to be a white male from a swing state to appeal to as broad of an electorate as possible.
yeah… i don’t think harris is the answer…
If Harris is in, she can use the money already donated. Otherwise they have to start from scratch.
So it’s almost guaranteed Harris will be in. Who they pick for VP is the question.
Can they still keep her as VP and put someone else on as prez?
I just don’t think she can beat big orange. I’m not saying she shouldn’t … but I don’t know … doubtful
He was a prosecutor for years, so she has plently of oratory chops, and shes 20 years younger than trump to boot.
Her only liability is the she is a she and there are plently of sexist fucks out there. Thats it.
You forgot that she’s a POC and there are also tons of racists fucks out there.
Even before getting to her actual credentials (some great, others really not), people will be assholes. I still have hope that she, as a former prosecutor, could mop the floor with the fascists.
On the plus side, racist and sexist heavily overlap.
Americans divide 46-47% between Biden and Trump if the election were today, almost identical to a 44-46% ABC/Ipsos poll result in April. Among registered voters (though there’s plenty of time to register) it’s an absolute tie, 46-46%.
Were Vice President Kamala Harris to replace Biden as the Democratic nominee, vote choices are 49-46%, Harris-Trump, among all adults (and 49-47% among registered voters). Harris’ 49% is slightly better than Biden’s 46%, although she doesn’t have a statistically significant lead over Trump.
Also possibly key:
Both candidates [Biden and Trump] face a high degree of scorn. About 4 in 10 Americans say neither has the mental sharpness or the physical health to serve effectively, and as many say neither is honest and trustworthy. Sixty percent say Trump is too old for a second term, also a new high, up from 44% in spring 2023. And in a sign of the nation’s political polarization, 50% say that given his debate performance, Trump should step aside in favor of another nominee – although, in contrast with Biden, very few of Trump’s own supporters say so.
You can expect Harris’s numbers to drop given she’s vulnerable to almost every criticism Biden was except age and the fact that the Trump campaign has already been preparing to attack her.
I find this so insane. People talk about who gets to keep the money, who has which rich asshole routing for them, which strategy has been successfull in the past, like always setting up the current president for reelection…
We need to focus on who has actually inspiring policies and ideas. We need to focus on these, because that is what the Reps lack. All they offer is “not the Dems” while the policies they propose are actually unpopular with many of their base. And the whole “Not Trump” strategy of Biden just fell apart.
Is there noone in the Democratic party who can actually come up with a coherent vision of the future and inspire people to follow it?
Is there no one in the Democratic party who can actually come up with a coherent vision of the future and inspire people to follow it?
This is why I think Pete Buttigieg should throw his hat in if they do have a primary. He just had a Bill Maher interview that just went viral because he knows how to talk to the common people. I think his visions are inspiring, he’s done a lot of work for his department, and he isn’t afraid to walk across party lines and go on Republican shows to talk about the real problems. He’s smart enough to smash Trump in a debate, calling out all his lies, and even if Trump is too scared to debate him, he has no problem laying out Trump’s lies elsewhere coherently and cognitively.
She’ll have to be. Anybody else would be starting from square one, and that’s a luxury we don’t have right now.
Half of America lost it’s mind when Obama was elected, and we’re still dealing with the fallout from that lovely dose of racism. There’s no way Kamala could win in this country.
Obama won. And then won again. Stop pumping up the reactionaries as some unstoppable force. They’re a minority and have been on a long term losing streak.
still the other half was enough to elect him
like all that aside, a lot of folks aren’t appreciative of her background as a cop… but yeah that’s a cherry to what you already mentioned
And a lot of swing voters will probably like that she was a prosecutor, a “law and order” type.
I think most of the “law and order” types might have a bigger problem with her being a black woman.
She aint “black” as much as “brown.” Its an incredibly stupid hair to split, but indians are generally considered a “model minority” by racists, so it will likely hurt her but not as much as you may think.
Harris 2024 babyyyyy
Gavin is probably the least popular option of any names floated. I don’t know who likes him, apparently some people do, but it’s not anywhere near a majority of the country.
On top of that, you can add that there is no advantage to getting a candidate from California. This is why I never understood Harris as the VP pick. Ideally, you get someone from a swing state like Whitmer.
Literally any straight white man center-right democrat born after 1968 would wipe the floor with trump.
And before anyone jumps down my throat, that’s not what I want. I want president Cortez. But presidents are chosen by money and by about 10,000 generically stupid swing voters in Michigan and Pennsylvania.
Im not american but i wholly support AOC4POTUS2028.
Or for a more catchy media bite: “A-O-C for the Presidency”Voters in Michigan that voted for Whitmer.
It’s not over… It’s joever!
I’m going to donate to DNC to signal that this was a good idea
straight shooter
Biden endorsed Kamala. =)
Kamala has a similar approval rating to Biden. If he wasn’t viable, neither is she.
Biden wasn’t viable because he has cognitive decline. Kamala will mop the floor with Trump in debates.
I would not be at all surprised if Trump refuses to debate her.
I think I remember reading an earlier analysis that says that Trump has no reason to accept debates with any potential new candidate, as it just gives them more visibility.
Absolutely. They had no reason to debate Biden again. They sure as shit won’t put him on stage against her, or ANY other candidate.
This would be awesome. Give Harris a two hour uninterrupted prime time spot to let the former prosecutor make a case against electing a convicted felon and follow it with 2 hours of the oldest candidate in US history rambling. 😆
I’d love to see it. Prosecutor going after a convicted felon and rapist sounds like a great time.
Trump will visibly age on stage like Palpatine from the absolute roasting Harris would do to him
Charitable to think that Trump would agree to a debate with Harris.
Both candidates are experiencing decline, and if Biden were elected and incapable of doing the job it would have resulted in a Harris Presidency anyway. It’s such an odd thing to object over. We’ve had presidents in decline before and the country kept running just fine, (FDR, Reagan.)
Biden did a fine job in office, I’m especially proud of his union support, and his policies were spot on in my opinion. To throw him under the bus like this seems really shitty.
Biden made the right decision for the country.
Do you think debates are really going to sway voters at this point? Like the people considering Trump don’t already know what a blowhard he is?
Debates can energize the voter base which is what we need right now. And who knows, the debates might even convince some people.
This is a hilarious misreading of polling data. Kamala may not win, but her percentage chance to win might be double or more of what Bidens was.
People I follow were estimating Biden at 10-15% by the time the election rolled around. All the models assume that a candidate would run a normal campaign. Something that he is not capable of doing.
People don’t know much about Kamala yet. That will now change very dramatically. Biden had hit his ceiling, a known quantity that everyone already knew very well. Harris has room to climb.
That’s something I think some people just missed when Biden dropping out was debated. Of course, the other potential picks were polling behind him at that point. But he was showing clear signs that he had peaked, and would only be able to fight not to drop further. His most powerful argument had been not being Trump - which any candidate can wield. And any candidate with charisma and the ability to speak, debate and campaign has a lot of room to move up, whereas Biden was fighting not to move down.
To be fair, most people really don’t know much about her yet. She’s mostly stayed in the shadows as a VP. That could change, for better or worse, when they know her better.
Probably so Russia couldn’t have enough time to properly ramp up an anti-Harris propaganda machine.
I can guarantee they already had that shit ready to go, in case Biden pulled a McConnell and stroked out in front of a camera. His advanced age is 100% a factor in them being ready to deploy the Harris hate, because he (along with much of our elected officials) could keel over at any moment simply due to old age.
Taking over the news cycle following the RNC while invalidating some of the rhetoric from it.
Welp they must have looked at the data and saw Kamala or someone else would do significantly better. Hope they’re right.
The dnc has famously been able to do that
Well known for picking the strongest candidate.
It’s basically 50/50 with either Biden or Harris at the top of the ticket. Everything is in the margin of error, and polling has been notoriously inaccurate with Trump on the ballot.
So you have to basically ignore the simple Trump vs. Biden or Trump vs. Harris or (Trump vs. anyone else you can think of) numbers because it’s pretty much unknown. But the data says a majority (even an majority of Democrats) want someone other than Biden on the ballot at election. BTW a majority of voters also want someone other than Trump on the ballot too.
There’s also some data to suggest Trump is making some inroads with young male Black and Hispanic voters. Harris will negate a significant amount of that immediately and potentially even more when the GOP can’t resist blowing their racist dog whistles and show voters who they really are.
So it’s kinda about looking at the data, but I think a large part of it is simple campaign facts. In times past a Presidential candidate would do two (sometimes three) rallies in two different states per day. And do interviews while traveling between campaign events. Trump isn’t capable of that pace. Biden most certainly isn’t capable of that pace. Harris can do that. We really haven’t seen a 100% balls to the wall presidential campaign in a while because it’s been two old guys in the last election and in this one… until now.
Remember Biden also had to do the job of being President of the country while also campaigning. That’s a lot of work for even someone young, and Biden is so very old. Sure Harris is VP, but that’s mostly just getting some briefings (too keep up on events in case she might need to take over as Prez) and breaking ties in the Senate (which probably won’t be needed between now and election day). She can devote almost all of her time to campaigning while Biden couldn’t.
#herturn
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I see so many suggestions for different people to run in bidens place, and I fear that that may lead to enough disunity for Trump to win an Election
Leaves me curious to see how this will play out
Sounds like Kamala Harris is gonna be the next candidate. Biden’s already endorsed her and I’m sure there’s some superdelegate bullshit going on that will screw other candidates.
It could be the second time the Democrats field an unpopular and disliked female candidate against Trump.
Do people really feel as sour about Kamala as they did Hilary? Hilary made people feel slimy for voting for her to some degree, she was arrogant and callous.
Don’t worry: this place doesn’t reflect the general american public in any meaningful way. That said, the general american public is probably a bit confused as well.
I’ll throw my 2 cents in: Jon Stewart should make a sketch about how he jokingly accepts the candidacy but then it turns out to be official to his “dismay”.
Would be great except for the fact that Jon Stewart himself made a GREAT argument for why the skills to educate and entertain the American public do NOT align with the responsibilities of the office of the president. Those skills DO align with what’s needed to successfully address congress, but not with playing the politics game.
He should be the press secretary though
As long as people aren’t stubborn and are willing to compromise, we’ll be fine
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