• iLove@programming.dev
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    3 months ago

    As a software deceloper I struggle to understand that phrase “if you get all work done”. That will never be the case for me, because (1) there is always more work and (2) we usually plan in more into a sprint than one can muster. That means we are always moving work from one into the next sprint. You are never done early enough to quit even a quarter of a day early.

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      3 months ago

      we usually plan in more into a sprint than one can muster.

      That means you have a project manager who doesn’t understand how sprints are supposed to work, and he’s hurting the entire team because of it. You guys will get burnt out, productivity will be shit, and the good people will leave. I’d encourage you to talk to them, or their boss if they don’t listen.

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        3 months ago

        I mean, that’s true, but the point still stands - every first Friday of a sprint there is ALWAYS going to be work to be done.

        And what if they’re doing Kanban?

        The point is, Fridays off shouldn’t ever be dependent on “all work being done”.

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          3 months ago

          You should be able to tell by the first Friday if you’re on-track to finish your sprint without working Fridays. You can’t tell now because you’re overloaded.

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            3 months ago

            I’m really not overloaded, I have a very agile team and we usually don’t take more than we can manage.

            But saying you can always, with 100% certainty predict what blockers may arise in the whole next week is a kind of clairvoyance I’m not sure is possible. If it was, we wouldn’t need daily standups in that second week.

            And, once again, Kanban is a thing.

            Please, let’s just not use “all work being done” as a metric for time off.