Well this post aged poorly
Obama, Pelosi, Schumer and 2/3rds if Democrats want him out but he’s refusing like an old man whose grown children are trying to take away the car keys before he hurts someone.
Unlike those grown children, Democrats don’t hold the same love and care for grandpa to force them to grow a pair of balls to know that it’s in everyone’s best interest and force the issue to pass.
“Most important election in my life” my ass; all that they have to do is stop helping a genocide and they would win, but no.
You were doing okay until the genocide thing. I doubt the “genocide” even enters into it for most independent voters.
I think it’s foolish to chase “independent” voters (which I assume you’re saying to mean the mythical “moderate”). What Biden is fighting is apathy.
Joe Biden being unwilling to call out the genocide in Palestine absolutely drives apathy among voters who feel disenfranchised by the current two party system.
If the Democrats truly cared about winning elections, they’d court the left and drive voter engagement. If we drive up turnout, the Democrats win every time, even with the ridiculously broken electoral college.
None of those apathetic voters ever have an answer to how Trump will be better for the Palestinians.
Blaming the voters for being apathetic when the party hasn’t given them a reason to be excited sure does seem to be in vogue among Democrat apologists.
it’s bizarre that they expect leftist to vote along with them when they’ve done nothing to earn leftist voters; lets see if the dnc has learned this lesson in their next presidential pic.
glenn beck made the single strongest case i’ve heard for kamala this morning: of all the electeds in DC, she was ONE of EIGHTEEN signatories on the green new deal.
i really didn’t think i’d come around on her, but glenn is who sold me on obama too so it makes sense.
More likely they’ll just pick some former swing state governor to be Kamala’s veep.
This is a public statement. Privately, he’s been saying much different things
Wow. So the user that does the lion’s share of the posting on news/politics on lemmy.world (from what I’ve observed) states his confound knowledge of the private conversations of POTUS. The very same lemmy.world that has an overwhelming amount of posted coverage of democrats urging Joe Biden to step down, to an arguably oppressive degree. Without a replacement even considered aside from VP Harris. Four months before a presidential election. With the known American attention span. Smells awful.
For the love of all that is holy, vote blue in November to avoid immediate Fascism and CONTINUE to press for our rights and dignity as human beings!
Four months before a presidential election. With the known American attention span.
You do realize that those two facts mean the opposite is what you imply in your comment, right?
My comment and its underlying meaning imply that there isn’t enough time to put in a new candidate. Four months from November, there isn’t adequate time to get everyone necessary on board, and too much influence will bleed off to Trump. I mean put Biden in now, fix it after we’ve cleared the election OR put a strong candidate up NOW with unequivocal confidence and put all the money and skill available behind it. Not committing to a strong course of action now (one way or the other) is tantamount to sabotage.
Tell me the plan that gets more unified support than the current president.
Anything other than the current president.
The Dems trying to start the campaign over from scratch with someone else this far into the year is just stupid. It’s giving the election to the Republicunts and they’re salivating.
They shouldn’t have had hm run in the fucking first place and been able to actually plan a campaign. This is so fucking amateurish it’s pathetic.
Strong disagree.
I live in a small bubble so to speak, and am only as good as what I see online and the few people I talk to about this. I would personally be way more engaged and excited if biden steps down, and so would a few of my friend/colleagues I’m comfortable talking about this topic with.
I think biden staying in is our worst chance at beating trump. If he leaves dem voters will be energized. If he and kamala are both out, even more energized.
I’m way way more nervous if biden sticks it out. Biden can barely walk without help, and barely speak coherently. The optics are extremely important. And now dumbass trump has that stupid fist in the air meme.
He needs to drop out now.
Biden is the best chance of winning. Any other choice means Trump wins.
Literally every point of actual data disagrees with you.
What did the data say for Hillary vs Trump? Pretty accurate eh?
I’m just not buying that. I think Biden’s people and a lot of people walking on eggshells for him may have convinced themselves of that (maybe). But I bet that narrative flips the minute he steps down.
I’m not buying that. Trying to change candidates this late in the game is such a bad idea that the only person that would suggest it is someone who wants Trump to win.
I’d also add my speculation that the repubs want biden to stay in, as he’s their best shot at winning.
Anyone else would be an unknown, and I think would be positive.
Biden is easily the best chance of winning
30% approval?
What were the approval ratings for Trump vs Hillary? Pretty accurate eh?
Alright this is getting fucking ridiculous. If he won’t exit with dignity then just 25th amendment his ass.
The Dems don’t want him to exit. They have the means and they know how to use it, so wanting to force him on us has to mean that it’s what the party apparatus wants, which is really just what their rich and corporate donors want
Maybe, but if Schumer, Pelosi, and Schiff are all working to get Biden out, I assume at least a sizable chunk of the leadership wants him to go.
add obama to that list but it doesn’t seem to matter; he’s dead set
Oh that’s an interesting claim. Let’s look at the citation.
citing multiple people briefed on Obama’s thinking
Ya this isnt credible.
is usnews not credible enough?
The goddamned fake news media at it again.
is usnews not credible enough?
My comment was sarcastic. “Fake new media” is a Trumpism.
They are ostensibly working to keep them out.
Democrats are about to get fucked hard, and their hubris did it to them
We all know there is no one they could run that would make you happy.
That’s correct, the party as a whole do not represent the working class. I would speculate most democrat voters agree but feel trapped in the 2 party system and would never vocally discuss their dissatisfaction for fear of being ostracized by their peers.
Case in point, the other reply to yours
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So tell me, again- how much do you think you’ll accomplish by doing nothing? Additionally- when in history has doing nothing helped a situation like this? I’d love for you to name an event. Just ONE event in history where not voting brought a positive change. Because by not voting, you’re essentially saying you’re okay with things the way they are and are willing to let chance dictate the lives of others.
And tell me again how you want age restrictions on candidates. If you had your way- We’d never have even had a shot with Bernie. And he’d be retired.
You can cry all you want that the system is broken, but at the end of the day- it isn’t going to be changed by a bunch of blowhards staying home and whining on the internet.
Oh, and lastly:
If we’re going to be judged on how people respond to us, you probably should delete your account and find something better to do with your time. Because it seems you spread a lot of misinformation and troll quite frequently.
We are ideologically opposed and will not support your candidates. We do not want the same future as liberals, we are not on your side.
Liberals have more in common with their republican counterparts than any leftists have with democrats
So…. You didn’t bother answering my question I noticed. Is it that you know the answer will unravel your entire argument?
Tell me- when has not voting brought change?
We both know the answer. You’re just too afraid to say it out loud because doing so, will force you to face the fact that you’re actively working against everyone that is trying to avoid America becoming a dictatorship.
You’re not ever getting what you want. You know that, right? Because clearly politics don’t work the way you think it does- this is evident in the fact that what you want contradicts itself entirety. In order to get what you want- LAWS HAVE TO CHANGE. But you refuse to vote for the people that actually would change those laws.
In essence- you’re fine with things the way they are and don’t give a shit enough to take the effort do actively do anything g to change it.
instead- you’re fine to have no active role in making America a better place for marginalized citizens.
Oh, and thank you for at least admitting you don’t give a shit. I know it wasn’t a direct statement, but we all got the message loud and clear.
You can keep talking to your blue in the face, there’s a larger chance you would vote for Donald Trump than I would vote for either one of them. Imagine the way that you feel about Republicans not representing your interests, that’s how I feel about both of them. They do not represent the working class. They represent the donor class, not us.
And since Democrats have all but given up on campaigning, they’re allowing their constituents to conduct their campaign for them. They’re doing a rather shitty job trying to persuade people to vote in their favor. Voters are leading by the example set by the party “shut the fuck up and fall in line, NOW!”
Cool. Be sure to tell all the people that will suffer under trump that you were too busy being smug and selfish to be bothered trying to help them in any way.
One vote dude.
You’re not special. They won’t know you did or didn’t do anything. But no, your smug and selfish ideology won’t allow you to compromise to save people you know will suffer.
Fucking disgusting man.
Then are you more aligned with the Republicans or the Democrats? Like it or not, the election system only supports two parties. That’s what we should be pushing towards changing rather than hurting ourselves.
I’m not aligned with either, they represent the donor class, not us. They represent money while we get tossed table scraps.
The idea of reforming within is futile, no new blood obtains any positions of power until it’s determined they are not a threat to the existing power structure.
I mean…
