(Israel’s influence is insane)

  • AdamBomb@lemmy.sdf.org
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    Israel had criticised the choice of Ms Hadid. It accused her of hostility to Israel and noted that 11 Israeli athletes had been killed by Palestinian attackers at the Munich Games

    Holy fucking shit, the audacity. Thousands of Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli attackers, far more recently.

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        no it doesn’t. it literally does not matter for this conversation. unless you have any evidence that she’s part of Hamas. just like Israel’s point doesn’t matter unless she was the Palestinian who killed the Israelis in the '76 Olympics.

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          How many American models have been dropped for trying to genocide my people and invading my country without cause?

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              It’s funny cause I don’t have to tell you what country I’m from and you have a wide range of choice. Fix your own shit america

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                Right, so you’re lying to yourself, since you aren’t living in one of the two, and you don’t know which two I even mean.

                Believe me, we’re trying to fix shit, but the last time we left the rest of the world alone, you guys dragged us kicking and screaming into WWI, and then Japan decided to be Japan during WWII. We can’t leave the rest of the world alone, you’ll start WWIII, and we really don’t want to use our nukes. That’s just a few blowhard politicians like Trump.

                Also we don’t have anything but defensive troops deployed currently so we aren’t invading anyone currently.

      • AdamBomb@lemmy.sdf.org
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        It matters, but for Israel to object to the presence of a Palestinian on the grounds that others of her genetic stock killed some of theirs is both nonsensical (she can’t be held responsible for the actions of others just because they share a skin tone) and hypocritical (because they are currently engaged in the same activity, on a greater scale). I won’t be taking further questions.

        • Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
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          No I understand. Only IDF crimes matter and they reflect on all of Israel, Hamas crimes don’t matter and they reflect on no Palestinians, even Hamas! Only one side may be criticized, and being critical of the other side is forbidden here. I understand.

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            i love that you keep saying you understand and demonstrating the opposite.

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        It’s far, far less than Israel has killed. Before Oct 7th, it was about ten to one Palestinians killed for every Israeli killed. Now it’s much much worse and getting worse everyday. Or does that not matter?

        Now, can we say Hamas is bad? Of course we can, but by whatever metrics we use to call out Hamas as being bad, Israel is at least ten times worse.

        You can’t bring in the amount of children Hamas has killed, and at the same time ignore that Is real has killed way more, and expect people to take you seriously. And if you want to try to play the “who shot first” game, that was also Israel, forcing its way into the land that they now occupy. And every square inch they have invaded since.

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        Considering that the death toll is always between 100:1 and 1000:1 and has been since 1967, no it doesn’t. Israel doesn’t do proportional responses. I used to support Israel as an idea and a country, but they just keep being racist fascist assholes.

        Seeing the Israeli response to Hamas just makes me feel that Israel was a mistake that should be corrected. Palestine can have the entire country, and call it a day.

        Before Israel was created, the Jewish peoples had already adopted a country as their new Zion. It’s called the US. They can come back home, and stop stealing other people’s homes.

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    It’s a model. She wasn’t even involved in the 11 Israeli deaths at the 1972 Olympics. So why chase after her?

    Is simply being born and raised in Palestine/by Palestinian parents a bad thing now? This is just the Eric Saade situation all over again.

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    So like, the ad didn’t even say anything about the genocide in Palestine? It just starred a half-Palestinian model?

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      Hey now if that was the reason that would mean the Israelis are racist, but they’re the most moral country in the world. So surely it couldn’t that! </s>

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      I’m not on Israel’s side in the current conflict, but if you’re going to reference the 1972 Olympics and the killings use a model that isn’t from a country that’s part of the conflict.

      …but honestly what the hell are you doing referencing a terrorist attack to sell shoes?

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        The only reference made is that something called Olympics took place in 1972. It’s ridiculous as she wasn’t even born

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          Right but what happened in the 1972 Olympics? If you release a 1972 Olympic sneaker, you have to think about how you contextualize the release.

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            Mind you, the complaint from Israel is not that Adidas is engaging in the revival effort/advertising campaign. Their specific complaint was that Adidas picked Bella Hadid as the face of it.

            Bella Hadid, who has not publicly said anything negative about Israel. Whose only “offenses” are that she’s half Palestinian, and that she’s shared messages on social media that condemn all murder, (which explicitly includes condemning the murder of Israelis in that statement).
            Sure, she supports the right to a homeland by Palestinians, but that’s not explicitly a dig at Israel. It seems like she’s taken great pains to not condemn an eminently condemnable country that has personally wronged her family, and now, her personally.

            It seems like Israel is throwing their weight around to harm her career and erase the achievements of yet another Palestinian. Much harm to her, for no harm mitigation to themselves.

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              I mean, I get what you’re saying, but:

              Sure, she supports the right to a homeland by Palestinians, but that’s not explicitly a dig at Israel.

              That’s like… one of the things that Bibi and his warhawks have refused to budge on. They want to kill or evict them all. This is absolutely the reason why they got bent out of shape. Truly, egos to give Trump himself a run for his money, but unfortunately they’re also much less dumb.

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                Ok but reread your comment and tell me what it has to do with Israel’s alleged criticism. The fact that we should expect this from them doesn’t change the fact that it’s fairly indefensible.

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            There will always be context in anything you do, but unless she ever made an apology of this attack, the official Israeli tweet is just racism. Mind you I am not surprised from an apartheid state, but yeah it sucks that Adidas didn’t reply along the lines that they do sport, not politics.

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            So do you think they would get the same backlash for using a south African person in an advert because Oscar Pistorious was from SA and did atrocious?

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              SA didn’t do something though, he did. So that logic doesn’t really work. We’re talking about someone who has been an outspoken advocate about the war and she’s in an ad for the 1972 Olympics

              A more appropriate analogy would be a 9/11 memorial sneaker. Who would you put in that ad?

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                And Palestine didn’t do something, a few people did.

                And this isn’t a sneaker in memoriam of the massacre it’s a throwback to the event. It has nothing to do with the massacre.

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                  Nothing to do with the massacre? Google 1972 Olympics and read a few articles. How many don’t mention what happened? They are inextricable

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    Seriously though… How the fuck does Israel have so much influence? Like, okay the West needs a puppet state in the middle east for… Reasons… But how does the puppet state end up in control of everything?

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      At some point in the 60s, the Israeli government realized that the awful things that were done to them (and let’s be clear, many many others who were not Jewish) during WW2 gives them cover to get away with basically anything if they go about it the right way.

      Including almost literally the atrocities that happened to them. It’s like generational trauma on the national level or something.

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        I wish us gays and disabled folks had gotten that card. Gays weren’t even let out… The roma also really need it.

        But yeah, it’s a country forged in response to unspeakable trauma. To many Israelis and their supporters the idea of not protecting the nation of Israel at all costs is seen as antisemitism, in part because part of the purpose of the nation is to be a bulwark and refuge against antisemitic violence. And it has served that role, the evacuated the Jews from Ethiopia. And if they had found some uninhabited land to create that nation I’d’ve been one of their biggest supporters (well apart from the ethnostate thing). But uninhabited land was either terrible or nonexistent by the 20th century and they did a settler colonial genocide to get their country and keep invading their neighbors. They still see Palestine not as a land that people have lived in for centuries, where even non-Semitic inhabitants have become indigenous, but rather their territory that the international community is refusing to allow them to kick off the people who’ve been squatting there since the Roman Empire forced most of them out.

        The non-Palestinian Jewish community is an eternally diasporic community. And that’s brutal. I understand how fucking rough it is to be a permanent minority of everywhere and I get wanting a land of your own. Add in the fact that the perpetrators of the Nakba were largely hardened holocaust survivors or people who had just watched it happen, it makes sense that they’d make the choices that are hard but may seem necessary. But that doesn’t justify continuing invasion and genocide in Palestine generations later. At a certain point enough is enough. They aren’t allowed to be as evil as Americans were in our founding because nobody was supposed to do that.

    • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
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      They know liberal sensibilities very well.

      Like planting trees to displace Palestinians. They can play the uncritical like a fiddle.

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    Someone probably should tell Israel that Adidas made shoes and anti-tank weaponsey for the Nazis. Don’t forget that the founder was a Nazi party member.

    Both Dassler brothers joined the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in May 1933 and became members of the National Socialist Motor Corps. Adolf took the rank of Sportwart in the Hitler Youth from 1935 until the end of the war. During the war, the company was running the last sport shoe factory in Germany and predominantly supplied the Wehrmacht with shoes. In 1943, their shoe production was forced to cease operations and the company’s facilities and workforce was used to manufacture anti-tank weapons. From 1942 to 1945, at least nine forced labourers were working at both sites of the company.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adidas

    To be fair, Adidas did give a pair of shoes to Jesse Owens during the 1936 Olympics. Adidas may not be full on Nazis however they were willing to work with the Nazis to make money.

    So I guess in Israel’s mind: Donating money to Palestinians to help with relief during the war is bad while working with the Nazis is fine.

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    “Selling shoes while Palestinian” is the new “driving while black” it seems.

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    Boycott Adidas for supporting genocide.

    All Day Israel Dreams About Slaughter, ADIDAS.

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    Say stupid shit get bit.

    Bella has said some insane shit that seems to get echoed here quite often.

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        In this case it was sharing Hamas propaganda that was not true. It would be easier to sympathize with you infantada if you’d actually take 5 minutes to look into what Hamas’ aims actually are and the means they use to carry them out.

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          Intifada is the correct spelling.

          What did she share that wasn’t true?

          People always say oh that’s Hamas propaganda but nobody mentions Israel’s propaganda for murdering tens of thousands of innocent people.

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            Infantada fits better. Get it, Infant since you’re all children defending literal terrorists, and tada cause I revealed the joke! 🤣

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          Anti semitism is when a Zionist doesn’t like you.

  • ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ@lemm.ee
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    bella is trash. the groups she retweeted surely are scum. seriously. she can f right off with all her antisemitism. what a piece of trash. adolf dassler too.